Quit complaining people, it's a technical preview!!!!


  • Moderator

    Nothing to complain about here:

    [ol]

    • HTML5 Test scored 511
    • Acid 3 Test passed with 100
    • Peacekeeper Benchmark failed
    • PDF file loaded nicely
      [/ol]

    It is far too soon to say whether this will ever replace Opera 12.17 as my default browser, but it is a step in the right direction. Ignore the whiners — they're not worth the time of day — but do listen to polite and constructive criticism.

    I am too busy now to do much testing for the next few months, but I will keep track of developments and I have alerted others to the release.



  • @Pesala:

    Nothing to complain about here:

    Same here. Installed on Win7, working as usual, incl. mouse gestures, importing bookmarks and so on. Better than O27 so far. Installed on Ubuntu - same result.
    I used Opera since 1998, so I have experiences in browser troubles. Vivaldi is nearly okay in pre-alpha, so what to expect when ready? Give me some privacy features, and I'll love it for sure.

    Michael



  • as i don't do much 'serious' stuff in a browser Vivaldi is now my default program, shame theres no 32bit version at the moment for older hardware, but, its the best chromium based so far for what i need it to do



  • The zoom bug was reported by me and plenty of people already as well, all they need is to add is the Ctrl modifier to it and problem solved. Most bugs are not terrible things which will take months to solve but can be fixed rather quickly.

    As for the preview, of course you should not use it as your main browser replacement. Not yet people. If you do it, its under your own risk. I don't think its usable yet, for basic reading and browsing sure, but not for real stuff.

    Its day two, so don't be so impatient. First they need to get all the feedback and bugs reported, a bug tracker is indeed a good idea. A change log would also be interesting and a newsletter to keep us informed of new versions or some special news site because as bugs gets fixed I think most want the updates as they keep coming.

    I don't agree with complaining. Complaining is not reporting bugs or giving feedback, complaining is whining like kids when things don't work, that is not reporting things or providing feedback, that is just plain complaining and trows negativity everywhere. Be professionals. You want the development team to be motivated to do their work, not send them bad vibes about how bad something works and how terrible it is. Constructive criticism is welcomed. Complaining? You have absolutely no right to complain, you did not paid for the product, you spend nothing, it was free, you should be thankful. If it was something you paid then you would have the right to complain, as its free and they said it has bugs and its a preview, you have no right to do it since nobody is forcing you to use it.



  • @terere:

    Complaining? You have absolutely no right to complain, you did not paid for the product, you spend nothing, it was free, you should be thankful. If it was something you paid then you would have the right to complain, as its free and they said it has bugs and its a preview, you have no right to do it since nobody is forcing you to use it.

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    is it free? how are they going to pay their bills then?
    it's the flow of free information we provide using the browser that pays them.
    we provide information for free, they provide a browser for free.
    the way I see it, there is nothing for free here.



  • @TalGarik:

    @terere:

    Complaining? You have absolutely no right to complain, you did not paid for the product, you spend nothing, it was free, you should be thankful. If it was something you paid then you would have the right to complain, as its free and they said it has bugs and its a preview, you have no right to do it since nobody is forcing you to use it.

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    is it free? how are they going to pay their bills then?
    it's the flow of free information we provide using the browser that pays them.
    we provide information for free, they provide a browser for free.
    the way I see it, there is nothing for free here.

    I assume you are one of those guys that says information is and should be free on the Internet, but then argue that the information you provide to others is of so much value and its really not free…

    Complaining is not information, its trash bytes.

    What is your point? Of course the information has some value but its overrated. Most value provided is the same over and over again. It has no direct monetary value.

    You don't pay your bills or put food in your table with forums posts. The Vivaldi developers need real money and you never paid a dime yet, so this is why I said its free, free like no paying money.

    Your download was free, your usage to the forums is free. And guess what? It costs them money in hosting, in servers, in licensing from software, moderators which have a salary, developers that are also paid, at the end of the month its a nice sum of money and how much did the complainers paid? Nothing. So no, they have no right to complain. Nobody is forcing them to use a technical preview.

    Also, complaints are worth nothing, they are not information. Valid bug reporting and real criticism has some value but complaining is just trash, it has no value at all and they would be better without it. In particular if they receive complaints for free.



  • @terere:

    Also, complaints are worth nothing, they are not information. Valid bug reporting and real criticism has some value but complaining is just trash, it has no value at all and they would be better without it. In particular if they receive complaints for free.

    are you serious? even a toddler in 2015 should understand what I was saying, are you a toddler? or a troll? ;)
    In the case you are a toddler not yet aware of the ways of the world: browsers are free because they - and when I say they I mean everybody from Qupzilla to Chrome and everything in between though on a different scale of course - make money when we use their browsers thanks to ads and the information/data they gather when we use them.



  • @TalGarik:

    @terere:

    Also, complaints are worth nothing, they are not information. Valid bug reporting and real criticism has some value but complaining is just trash, it has no value at all and they would be better without it. In particular if they receive complaints for free.

    are you serious? even a toddler in 2015 should understand what I was saying, are you a toddler? or a troll? ;)
    In the case you are a toddler not yet aware of the ways of the world: browsers are free because they - and when I say they I mean everybody from Qupzilla to Chrome and everything in between though on a different scale of course - make money when we use their browsers thanks to ads and the information/data they gather when we use them.

    You are the one saying its ok and we have the right to complain and I'm the troll? I just said we don't, valid criticism is welcomed, complaining, I don't think you are entitled and that is my personal opinion.

    I think you have the wrong forum or browser as well with your comment on ads and information/data = money.

    Opera users don't like their usage data send to browsers. If you want a browser that sells users data and makes money out users with their data, then Chrome is a nice option. In case you didn't notice it, most users here are not comfortable with that. There is actually a topic already where people ask what info is send to Google. So you are sooo wrong, Vivaldi is not supposed to make money from getting information/data from our usage. I will surely not use it if that is the case. And their CEO already said privacy is one of their concerns, so no, Vivaldi will not make money from selling usage data like other browsers. We don't want just another browser like everyone else.



  • Easy now.

    It's a technical preview and people should obviously not expect it to work flawlessly. The purpose is to give everyone an idea of where this browser is heading further down the line. You can start to expect a bug-free environment once there is a stable release.

    It's not forbidden to complain in this world, but it is not very clever and it never will be. Complaints are never appreciated by anyone, the previous discussion is good proof. Assuming that the person who is complaining actually wants to see developers do something about the problems, I suggest considering this: The amount of useful information in a text of complaints is quite low. There is a high risk of actually discouraging people (including the developers) from reading these posts to the end, making it all useless. And even if they actually do read to the end, it partially will be a waste of time to process the information. In the end, all they can learn is what you're unhappy with.

    Consider constructive criticism instead. You can keep it shorter, hence wasting less time. You can focus on the problem, suggesting possible solutions and so on. This way you're making it all more fruitful. With a friendly tone, as well as qualitative and consise information, you will allow the developers to work more effectively. And others may offer their view on it instead of arguing about something which had nothing to do with your experience in the first place. If you're doing it in any other way you're not helping anyone, not even yourself.

    Simple as that.



  • Hi,

    I was product manager from 1 of the best company in Singapore. As product owner I never care what is complain, feedback, etc are. Without complain we can't improve the product even from users that doesn't know what "Technical Preview" is even sometime their complain really bad and make the developers feel mad and idiot. Sometime their complain really useful to improve the products and as a Developer should not think their complain to attack you BUT to challenge you, to motivate you to make better product and fix the bugs faster

    Keeps improving your work, its really great product


  • Moderator

    @olli:

    We are working on getting the bug wizard up and running :-)

    Fine. Just waiting to feed it with reports, to support Vivaldi! Christoph told me about upcoming BT update ;)



  • I too do not look at it as complaining, this forum was basically created for people to discuss and express what they would like to see, do see and report any issues and bugs they encounter. Vivaldi aims to be a browser for the people, so no better way to build it then around the voice of the people/users.



  • @ultraviolet:

    shame theres no 32bit version at the moment for older hardware

    Vivaldi is 32-bit, and a 64-bit version is what many of us are asking for; then again, you could be emphasizing the "for older hardware" part.



  • This browser is absolutely fantastic! Even tough it's just in the Tech Preview stage (meaning that it's not even in Beta), it's already closer to the old Presto Opera then the new and "improved" version.

    Today, after finding out about Vivaldi, for the first time after the last Presto release, i feel complete and releaved that a real browser is in the works!

    I sure hope that the devs of this little unpolished jewel will not drop support for Windows XP anytime in the near future…

    All respect to the developers of this software.



  • @Beethoven:

    I sure hope that the devs of this little unpolished jewel will not drop support for Windows XP anytime in the near future…

    I similarly hope that they maintain NPAPI support even when Chrome drops it later this year.



  • Most important thing about technical preview is not what it can do right know, but to show you what it may do in future.

    In that respect I was VERY pleased.

    Vivaldi needs community to test bugs, to show opinions to suggest features they would like. Criticism is constructive if it leads to improvement. Vivaldi is at the very start, co there is a lot to improve and they are listening.

    What more could you expect from a technical preview?



  • @Trof:

    What more could you expect from a technical preview?

    Just two words.

    When I first tried Opium 15 I was just disgusted, Vivaldi instead became my main driver in no time.

    It has bug, sure !

    It has missing features ? Sure too.

    But is very different to read on the mail panel "apologies for the missing feature" V.S. "the f**k yourself, opera mail feature is dead!!" we had on the Opium Blog.

    Then the forum is to share experiences to ask for features and to highlights bugs, CONSTRUCTIVELY.

    Just complaining is both useless and unfair.

    Fast and good never happen (we say in my country)



  • so its 32-bit which i can't use on my 32-bit systems



  • @ultraviolet:

    so its 32-bit which i can't use on my 32-bit systems

    Care to elaborate?



  • @Case:

    @ultraviolet:

    so its 32-bit which i can't use on my 32-bit systems

    Care to elaborate?

    i was replying to this post:

    @lewisje:

    @ultraviolet:

    shame theres no 32bit version at the moment for older hardware

    Vivaldi is 32-bit, and a 64-bit version is what many of us are asking for; then again, you could be emphasizing the "for older hardware" part.


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