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[Catweazle]

One thing I don't like at all in the blog post, adding a new search engine, Neeva.
When I enter the corresponding page I see that it is not yet functional and only offers the possibility of signing up with the email and name, to be informed when it is ready in my country.
Ok, it is an acceptable thing, why because of what it says that it respects privacy and is the first that does not use ads, apart from not specifying much else.
Well, I think there is nothing against signing up.
After doing so, I am congratulated for being on the waiting list and that I am informed by email of its launch and that I CAN USE IT FOR THE FIRST MONTHS FREE OF CHARGE.
I have nothing against paid products, but these, if they are trustworthy, are put into the price list and not after signing up in good faith, apart from that it would be the last straw that on top of being paid they had ads.
I consider this a not very serious practice and with this of course I have no confidence in this search engine and its supposed privacy, which anyway isn't very strong.

Automatic Data Collection. We may collect certain information automatically when you use the Services. This information may include your Internet protocol (IP) address, location information, user settings, cookie identifiers, browser type and version, operating system or device, pages that you visit before using the Services. Information we collect may be associated with your accounts and the devices you use to access your accounts.

Bad choice from Vivaldi, i think

[tatsuki]

@catweazle , thank you for sharing your thoughts on Neeva.
It's important for us to get a good understanding of how ours feel about partners we work with.

To make sure I get your point fully, can you elaborate a bit more what you meant by the following sentence? Neeva can be used for free for few months before you decide to pay for subscription and there is no ads shown on the search result.

I have nothing against paid products, but these, if they are trustworthy, are put into the price list and not after signing up in good faith, apart from that it would be the last straw that on top of being paid they had ads.

Thanks!

[Eggcorn]

@tatsuki said in Vivaldi translates selected text into a selection of languages, more privately.:

It's important for us to get a good understanding of how ours feel about partners we work with.

If you want my feelings: Include almost any search-engine that's willing to pay the fee. It's not like you're forcing me to use them, I can use whatever search-engine I want.

Edit: That said, Neeva is a very questionable choice. Because it won't just show you the search-results, you have to jump through hoops (signing up). That does lower the quality of the Vivaldi search-box. I think Neeva would be more appropriate as a sponsored bookmark.

Edit 2: Neeva (as of June 2022) no longer requires you to jump through those hoops, it's no longer a questionable choice.

[Eggcorn]

@catweazle said in Vivaldi translates selected text into a selection of languages, more privately.:

they had ads.

You mean the "Expert Recommended" section? If the Neeva help files are to be believed, those are not ads.

[Catweazle]

@tatsuki , naturally I can use it for 3 months for free, before deciding, but first this of "private search engine" has nothing, since it clearly states that it register my data and my activity using this search engine, as seen in the quote that I put that I got from Neeva's PP .
Besides, it is a very bad practice to notify the user of the monthly costs only after registering and not on the presentation page, where in each serious service a link always appears above, where it says 'Pricing', which in Neeva is not the case, nor apears in other site in this page..
Trust, none and of course I am not going to use it, not even the first three months.
Because calling itself a private search engine is already a hoax, with it's PP i can use directly Google, which is free and not only the first three month.

[Eggcorn]

@catweazle said in Vivaldi translates selected text into a selection of languages, more privately.:

It is a very bad practice to notify the user of the monthly costs only after registering and not on the presentation page

It does notify the user on the presentation page:

[fuweitao]

We want to be able to customize the search engine on mobile,plz.

[sridharneeva]

@eggcorn My name is Sridhar and I am a co-founder of Neeva.

We are very clear that we are a paid product. It is core to our business model of having one party to serve: our customer.

We make it clear on the home page, and on our settings and faq.

If you think we can make more changes to make this more clear, please do tell us and we are happy to consider it. We have an experiment to change the button text "Try It Free" to make the paid nature (but you don't need to enter a credit card to try the product) clear.

[infosrefanvlad]

Congrats on the new release!

[Gif2D]

Rolling on my 4.2!

[paul1149]

@sridharneeva Hello, Sridhar, and thank you for helping make things clear.

I'm interested in the points @Catweazle raises in post https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/516346, with reference to your collection of data. It seems you are casting quite a large net. Can you explain why you would want to know our browsing history before we have arrived at Neeva? Thank you.

[sridharneeva]

@catweazle said in Vivaldi translates selected text into a selection of languages, more privately.:

be the last straw that on top of being paid they had ads.

We do not show any ads or affiliate links anywhere in Neeva.

I consider this a not very serious practice and with this of course I have no confidence in this search engine and its supposed privacy, which anyway isn't very strong.

Automatic Data Collection. We may collect certain information automatically when you use the Services. This information may include your Internet protocol (IP) address, location information, user settings, cookie identifiers, browser type and version, operating system or device, pages that you visit before using the Services. Information we collect may be associated with your accounts and the devices you use to access your accounts.

We distinguish between an anonymous search engine and a private search engine. Neeva is private, not anonymous. Things like your IP address or location are used to deliver better local results for you. That's it. If you want to turn this all off, there is a single setting that controls whether anything is remembered about your account.

[sridharneeva]

@paul1149 said in Vivaldi translates selected text into a selection of languages, more privately.:

@sridharneeva Hello, Sridhar, and thank you for helping make things clear.

I'm interested in the points @Catweazle raises in post https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/516346, with reference to your collection of data. It seems you are casting quite a large net. Can you explain why you would want to know our browsing history before we have arrived at Neeva? Thank you.

We have no access to your browsing history before you visit Neeva! The only thing that seems vaguely even possible is the referrer attribute. I will look into why this phrase "pages that you visit" is even there in the privacy policy and look into removing it.

[Pesala]

At last, the meaning of life, the universe, and everything…

[sridharneeva]

@sridharneeva I confirmed that this was put in place to cover using the http referrer attribute for being able to tell whether traffic to the neeva.com marketing site came from search or social media. That's it.

[rseiler]

@ian-coog Yet, when I broached this very obvious subject last week when I found out that 93 was not going to be skipped in favor of 94, I received a descriptive "Nope" in answer to whether 94 would be.

Yet, it's out in 6 days, which even allowing for Vivaldi's usual 2-week lag is obviously a non-starter, as you suggest.

This all goes to the fact that Chromium has two release schedules now, and Vivaldi hasn't commented on which one they're going to follow. Barring a revolutionary change, the 4-week one is simply not conducive to this product. The 8-week one is all but perfect, however....

[jon]

@paragon: , thanks for your support!

[Ybra]

Unfortunately, Whenever I see QR anything, all I can think of is covid 19 pandemic hoax / terrorist operation.

[gibr]

@sridharneeva Thanks. This makes sense. You need to collect statistics about where traffic arrives from in order to make better marketing and planning decisions. Perhaps there's a less alarming way to phrase your intentions and use case in the pp, like, "We track the immediately preceding, single location from which users arrive at Neeva within the same browser session in order to better understand how we can optimize onboarding, marketing, and growth."

Nothing you say can or will make everyone comfortable.

[gibr]

@gif2d The next thing we need to know is whether version 4.4.2 will be Olds or Cutlass.