Search Bar is Redundant
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a remove option for search bar, please, like the customization power of O12
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For all of you frustrated omnibox haters who don't know how to use it properly:
That's how you search a url. You can also change the search engine in the corner down there, or just type the shortcut followed by your query, like so: "y vivaldi.com" - will show yahoo results for 'vivaldi.com'
So, no, we don't need a separate box for the search engines.
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You mean that YOU don't need one. Don't assume that people do not like it because they don't know how to use it.
Having a large screen requires imputing a query on the far left and then traveling across the screen to select the engine. This is simply not the case with a search box where one need only to move the cursor down slightly. Efficiency is important in a work application. Of course choice would be the best solution so you can have your cake and I will have mine
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It is redundant to have a search bar when the address bar function as a search bar in the first place.
BTW, welcome back!
I can't disagree more.
The missing search box is one of the things I hate more on so called modern browsers.
BTW a choice to disable it could be a reasonable compromise.
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For all of you frustrated omnibox haters who don't know how to use it properly
Using the search bar is faster than the omnibox. The obvious choice is to make it optional.
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For me the the search bar was also redundant so I looked into the Vivaldi files and I found out that you can 'easily' hide things when you want to. When you go to the location where your Vivaldi browser is installed, Default: AppData\Local\Vivaldi\ and you go some further in the folder structure to AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\1.0.83.38\resources\vivaldi\style. You can change common.css there.
When you replace your common.css with the css you can find at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13602033/no-searchbar.css you don't see the searchbar anymore in your browser.
When you don't want to replace your common.css file, you can also choose to place this file next to common.css and change the reference to the css file in browser.html which can be found in AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\1.0.83.38\resources\vivaldi.
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It's redundant in the actual state, but in old Presto Opera it was really useful because it saved your typed addresses and searches. Having all your searches in the middle of your typed addresses is crap, so you use the search field and they don't pollute your typed addresses.
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"Having a large screen requires imputing a query on the far left and then traveling across the screen to select the engine." This moving all over is difficult for people who have a disability.
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Some of us do more with the net
I have 43 search engines in Opera, and it is impossible for me to remember all of the keys I set for each, and no way are you going to fit them in a horizontal strip.
It is only usable because I can click on the search icon and scroll up and down, and because when you type a search term, the list automatically opens so I can quickly select the specific site I wish to search.
So for me an Omnibox would need to list all my search engines each time I start typing, as well as history / bookmarks.
That would be way too cluttered, so I like having a separate search section in my browsers.FF searches only became useful to me, once I added the Opera style system (inc the right-click in page search list)
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Its redundant in its current state. Its not redundant if you have many search engines there.
Can you remember the shortcut for over 10 search websites? Probably not. In particular if you only use 2 or 3 most of the time but then need to use search engine number 14. Things which are not visible are easily forgotten. This was one big mistake Microsoft made with Windows 8 and most consulting companies told them so before launch. People don't use things they can't see, because they usually don't remember them. Take that into account. That is a very basic principle in UI design, things which are not visible are usually never used.
And before you say, why would have more than 10 search engines, there are tons of search websites you could be using and they don't have to be search engines either. Some users could have a currency search, others weather, others dictionary, others some math function, others a translator to one or more language. Your list can grow very fast and this is without even counting the standard web search engines like having one for web search, for image search, for bing, yahoo, google, you name it.
So I would say its not redundant for those that have many search options in their browser. Google designed the omnibar for that reason. So people rely only mainly on Google for all their searches regardless of what it is, because they know users will not remember more than a few options. The dedicated search bar in a browser was a threat to Google, because you could see other options and then you would probably use them. Just think about this, you currently use the omnibar only to search in your default search engine. While you may use other options like
y yahooMost people don't, they only use the default one which is Google. So don't be fooled, the omnibar makes sense for Google as they want users to only use Google for all their searches regardless if it's a currency, weather, or a math function.
The other reason the ommibox does not work that great as you think is because not everyone just searches a keyword. Maybe you are searching something else and even with Chrome I have noticed many times that when I enter a local address from a local device in the local LAN it goes and searches that in Google instead of opening it in the browser. That is awful. I don't want the stupid browser to search for it, I want it to open it. The omnibox does not work as expected when you type non standard things, so I would actually prefer to disable it as search and force it to be only a url bar like in the old days.
The search bar can also do something the onmibar can't. If you always search the same things over and over again, you could see a list of this things there, without having them mixed up with URL and websites you visited. This makes everything more organized, you have an address in one bar only for visited websites and queries in the other, you can then search without even typing anything which is faster in case you happen to have your hands of the keyboard at that moment.
There is also no reason why not, most urls are not that long today and most users have widescreens, so there is a lot of wasted space. If you don't think this is not true, please take a look right now at your address bar on the top, just look right now. I can bet you, you have a very long white space after the url to the right, this is wasted space. So the search bar there does not bother anyone in most cases.
Like with most things this should be also be optional. If you don't want it it has to be turned off from the settings. This is something most browsers don't learn today, they don't want to give users options. Its all about user choice. If Vivaldi is like the last Opera 12, there will surely be a setting to remove this, turn it off/on, or even better. Move it to another place.
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For all of you frustrated omnibox haters who don't know how to use it properly:
That's how you search a url. You can also change the search engine in the corner down there, or just type the shortcut followed by your query, like so: "y vivaldi.com" - will show yahoo results for 'vivaldi.com'
So, no, we don't need a separate box for the search engines.
Don't speak for others.
Its not that people can't use the omnibox, its because their use surpasses what it can do. If you are a basic user that has 4 search engines it may work. If you have 40 it will not work. Please read my previous comment and you will understand a bit better.
Don't assume people are stupid so they need a dedicated search box. Its not for that reason. Its exactly the opposite. People that work heavily with their browsers use it more than just searching websites on Google.
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It's redundant in the actual state, but in old Presto Opera it was really useful because it saved your typed addresses and searches. Having all your searches in the middle of your typed addresses is crap, so you use the search field and they don't pollute your typed addresses.
Exactly!
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Can you remember the shortcut for over 10 search websites? Probably not. In particular if you only use 2 or 3 most of the time but then need to use search engine number 14. Things which are not visible are easily forgotten. This was one big mistake Microsoft made with Windows 8 and most consulting companies told them so before launch. People don't use things they can't see, because they usually don't remember them. Take that into account. That is a very basic principle in UI design, things which are not visible are usually never used.
Exactly, it's the same reason why they introduced the ribbon.
I talked to a Certified Office teacher, around 2009: he hated it because he should have studied everything again.Well, there are people that are still using the menu to shut down a PC, or that don't run programs by searching them, or those that were mortally wounded by the lack of a useless START button that only takes up space (thankfully, there is Start Is Gone to get that space back).
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"Having a large screen requires imputing a query on the far left and then traveling across the screen to select the engine." This moving all over is difficult for people who have a disability.
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Sorry about my somewhat arrogant response on the previous page - I was mostly addressing the issue of being able to search a URL, not joggling around 40+ search engines.
I agree the best option would be to make the search bar configurable - in the spirit of good old Opera
But at the same time making sure that if the search bar is switched off - the address bar could function as a proper omnibox - give search suggestions, etc.
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Well, no real point in discussing this when it's so simple to make this optional.
But I have to say that it's not that hard to remember the letters for a bunch of different search engines. Or rather, you don't really need to. Just make it logical. Use initials. The single ones will likely be taken quite soon, but that's not really an issue. If for example Y is taken by Yahoo, you can simply assign YT to YouTube.
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I agree, why even discuss this things when they can be made optional.
I think its because we are all so afraid of developers just doing what they want in the end. But if Vivaldi sticks true to the Opera spirit they will make most things optional and make everyone happy.
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Like has been said in this topic before, I would also like to disable search from the omnibox.
Too often when I enter a local address, it searches for it instead of opening it. This is just annoying to me, with all modern browsers.The solution is very simply: just create three different UI-elements: the address bar (only opens the address entered, whether it's valid or not), the Omnibox and the Search Bar.
Then people can just enable, disable, re-arrange these three elements as they see fit.
The whole point of Vivaldi is to bring Opera 12 and it's customisability back, not to decide for it's users. If you want the decision made for you, just stick with Chrome, IE, Opera, FireFox or any other browser.
So there is really no need for a discussion. It should just be configurable.
The default setting doesn't matter to me at all, since I'm a power user I can change it myself. -
This is an old thread (although I agree with the sentiments of rvdv who just resurrected it ;)), but for those who agree with the thread title, the option to remove the Search Bar and just have an Omnibox is now available:
Settings > Search > Display Search Field in Address Bar <<< (deselect)
(I'm not sure when it became available, but it doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this thread)
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For a number of Opera versions through the 12.xx series, when I entered a search term in the search box and hit "enter", my search results would open in a new tab. The tab I had open and searched from, remained open and continued to function.
In Vivaldi, when I enter a search term in the search box, it reuses my original tab. Instead, to save my original tab, I have to open a new tab and search from there.
Am I missing something, or is there a way to get the search box to behave as it does in Opera 12.xx? I would really appreciate any help available.