Search Bar is Redundant



  • It is redundant to have a search bar when the address bar function as a search bar in the first place. [size=1]BTW, welcome back![/size]



  • @aeiou:

    It is redundant to have a search bar when the address bar function as a search bar in the first place.

    +1 !!!! Make optional show the search bar.

    BTW, welcome back!



  • @jesuslg123:

    @aeiou:

    It is redundant to have a search bar when the address bar function as a search bar in the first place.

    +1 !!!! Make optional show the search bar.

    BTW, welcome back!

    Yea really, they should just roll with an onmibox or make the searchbox removable.



  • -1 for omnibox-only, sometimes I want to search for something that could be interpreted as a URL. Adding an option to enable/disable the search box is, of course, the correct choice (isn't that why we're all here?)



  • …or give us more configuration options. i'd really like to have it as in-page-search. like it was possible with opera 12



  • @prototype27:

    -1 for omnibox-only, sometimes I want to search for something that could be interpreted as a URL. Adding an option to enable/disable the search box is, of course, the correct choice (isn't that why we're all here?)

    hear hear, have been in the same situation where searching for a url in an omnibox led to frustration. choice and customization will be what hopefully sets this browser apart.



  • I hate the ominbox. I prefer to enter my query and then select the engine to search with. Firefox have gotten this right, it's simple and elegant. Having to enter codes before every search is cumbersome, I usually have upwards of 20 search engines . I would also like to see the pop up menu allow for more than just search with google, I don't even have the set as default


  • Moderator

    a remove option for search bar, please, like the customization power of O12



  • For all of you frustrated omnibox haters who don't know how to use it properly:

    That's how you search a url. You can also change the search engine in the corner down there, or just type the shortcut followed by your query, like so: "y vivaldi.com" - will show yahoo results for 'vivaldi.com'

    So, no, we don't need a separate box for the search engines.



  • You mean that YOU don't need one. Don't assume that people do not like it because they don't know how to use it.

    Having a large screen requires imputing a query on the far left and then traveling across the screen to select the engine. This is simply not the case with a search box where one need only to move the cursor down slightly. Efficiency is important in a work application. Of course choice would be the best solution so you can have your cake and I will have mine



  • @aeiou:

    It is redundant to have a search bar when the address bar function as a search bar in the first place.

    BTW, welcome back!

    I can't disagree more.

    The missing search box is one of the things I hate more on so called modern browsers.

    BTW a choice to disable it could be a reasonable compromise.



  • @YemSalat:

    For all of you frustrated omnibox haters who don't know how to use it properly

    Using the search bar is faster than the omnibox. The obvious choice is to make it optional.



  • For me the the search bar was also redundant so I looked into the Vivaldi files and I found out that you can 'easily' hide things when you want to. When you go to the location where your Vivaldi browser is installed, Default: AppData\Local\Vivaldi\ and you go some further in the folder structure to AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\1.0.83.38\resources\vivaldi\style. You can change common.css there.

    When you replace your common.css with the css you can find at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13602033/no-searchbar.css you don't see the searchbar anymore in your browser.

    When you don't want to replace your common.css file, you can also choose to place this file next to common.css and change the reference to the css file in browser.html which can be found in AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\1.0.83.38\resources\vivaldi.


  • Moderator

    It's redundant in the actual state, but in old Presto Opera it was really useful because it saved your typed addresses and searches. Having all your searches in the middle of your typed addresses is crap, so you use the search field and they don't pollute your typed addresses.



  • The flexibility to hide/show the search bar should be good.



  • "Having a large screen requires imputing a query on the far left and then traveling across the screen to select the engine." This moving all over is difficult for people who have a disability.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    Some of us do more with the net ;)

    I have 43 search engines in Opera, and it is impossible for me to remember all of the keys I set for each, and no way are you going to fit them in a horizontal strip.
    It is only usable because I can click on the search icon and scroll up and down, and because when you type a search term, the list automatically opens so I can quickly select the specific site I wish to search.
    So for me an Omnibox would need to list all my search engines each time I start typing, as well as history / bookmarks.
    That would be way too cluttered, so I like having a separate search section in my browsers.

    FF searches only became useful to me, once I added the Opera style system (inc the right-click in page search list)



  • Its redundant in its current state. Its not redundant if you have many search engines there.

    Can you remember the shortcut for over 10 search websites? Probably not. In particular if you only use 2 or 3 most of the time but then need to use search engine number 14. Things which are not visible are easily forgotten. This was one big mistake Microsoft made with Windows 8 and most consulting companies told them so before launch. People don't use things they can't see, because they usually don't remember them. Take that into account. That is a very basic principle in UI design, things which are not visible are usually never used.

    And before you say, why would have more than 10 search engines, there are tons of search websites you could be using and they don't have to be search engines either. Some users could have a currency search, others weather, others dictionary, others some math function, others a translator to one or more language. Your list can grow very fast and this is without even counting the standard web search engines like having one for web search, for image search, for bing, yahoo, google, you name it.

    So I would say its not redundant for those that have many search options in their browser. Google designed the omnibar for that reason. So people rely only mainly on Google for all their searches regardless of what it is, because they know users will not remember more than a few options. The dedicated search bar in a browser was a threat to Google, because you could see other options and then you would probably use them. Just think about this, you currently use the omnibar only to search in your default search engine. While you may use other options like
    y yahoo

    Most people don't, they only use the default one which is Google. So don't be fooled, the omnibar makes sense for Google as they want users to only use Google for all their searches regardless if it's a currency, weather, or a math function.

    The other reason the ommibox does not work that great as you think is because not everyone just searches a keyword. Maybe you are searching something else and even with Chrome I have noticed many times that when I enter a local address from a local device in the local LAN it goes and searches that in Google instead of opening it in the browser. That is awful. I don't want the stupid browser to search for it, I want it to open it. The omnibox does not work as expected when you type non standard things, so I would actually prefer to disable it as search and force it to be only a url bar like in the old days.

    The search bar can also do something the onmibar can't. If you always search the same things over and over again, you could see a list of this things there, without having them mixed up with URL and websites you visited. This makes everything more organized, you have an address in one bar only for visited websites and queries in the other, you can then search without even typing anything which is faster in case you happen to have your hands of the keyboard at that moment.

    There is also no reason why not, most urls are not that long today and most users have widescreens, so there is a lot of wasted space. If you don't think this is not true, please take a look right now at your address bar on the top, just look right now. I can bet you, you have a very long white space after the url to the right, this is wasted space. So the search bar there does not bother anyone in most cases.

    Like with most things this should be also be optional. If you don't want it it has to be turned off from the settings. This is something most browsers don't learn today, they don't want to give users options. Its all about user choice. If Vivaldi is like the last Opera 12, there will surely be a setting to remove this, turn it off/on, or even better. Move it to another place.



  • @YemSalat:

    For all of you frustrated omnibox haters who don't know how to use it properly:

    That's how you search a url. You can also change the search engine in the corner down there, or just type the shortcut followed by your query, like so: "y vivaldi.com" - will show yahoo results for 'vivaldi.com'

    So, no, we don't need a separate box for the search engines.

    Don't speak for others.

    Its not that people can't use the omnibox, its because their use surpasses what it can do. If you are a basic user that has 4 search engines it may work. If you have 40 it will not work. Please read my previous comment and you will understand a bit better.

    Don't assume people are stupid so they need a dedicated search box. Its not for that reason. Its exactly the opposite. People that work heavily with their browsers use it more than just searching websites on Google.



  • @An_dz:

    It's redundant in the actual state, but in old Presto Opera it was really useful because it saved your typed addresses and searches. Having all your searches in the middle of your typed addresses is crap, so you use the search field and they don't pollute your typed addresses.

    Exactly!


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