Flat design web browser or normal design



  • First off all. Great job for pulling this of.... Congratulations! I'm a frequent user of Opera until a few years ago. Now still on Opera 12.... I was wondering. After install I knotted that the design is flat. Is there a way to have an normal design? I will follow the updates of Vivaldi, I hope it will be a good replacement for Opera 12 in the near future.



  • If you mean native os look and feel, I am not sure but Browser theme works with .css file, which is stylesheet. I am pretty sure we will see more themes later, like the old Opera's.



  • Skins would be very fine, customizable layout like in old Opera also



  • I have noticed and loathe the current trend in UI design being pushed by MS. I really hope Vivaldi can step above that 8bit crap and give me back a desktop with depth perception.

    MS created Win 8 and sanded all its paint off so it would work on a damn phone…I have a 4ghz 64 bit PC...I don't need a crippled UI for a damn phone. :angry:



  • tabs on the side… fantastic! that's the feature i have stayed at opera12 for. :woohoo:
    but ugly m$-style design makes me feel mad :sick:
    please, please make an option/skin/css/anything to avoid it!



  • I'll vote for flat design. Looks great!



  • You guys seems to blame Microsoft alone but Google started the trend after everything went mobile.

    Its not Windows alone that is flat.

    iOS is flat today.
    Windows is flat today.
    Ubuntu is flat today.
    Other Linux distros like Mint are flat today
    Chrome OS is flat today

    The new Android material is also flat and its Google which heavily promotes this here:
    www.google.com/design/

    So please people stop saying its a Microsoft thing, its a Google trend and every technology company in the world adopted it already. Where ever you like it or not, you can't change it. Its already here.

    I guess nobody here is ever going to update to Windows 10 (which is great) or ever again update their Linux distro because they Gnome and KDE are also very flat today.

    Welcome to 2015. Flat is the normal design today.

    A GUI should be very minimalist and I think this design is exactly that. So my vote is for flat. I don't want flashy 3D icons all over my face which get boring very fast.



  • I would like to see it so that the default skin is that of the parent OS. So that on Windows 7 all the components and window borders, etc. look like Windows 7, and for Windows 8, whatever Linux distribution, OSX likewise. If it allows skinning then all well and food - offer the current default skin as an alternative.

    The current lack of window border and other "odd" skinning options you seem to have taken would stop me using this and they provide a near constant annoyance. Firefox, IE (obviously) and Chrome at least have borders on their windows!



  • @terere:

    You guys seems to blame Microsoft alone but Google started the trend after everything went mobile.

    Its not Windows alone that is flat.

    iOS is flat today.
    Windows is flat today.
    Ubuntu is flat today.
    Other Linux distros like Mint are flat today
    Chrome OS is flat today

    'flat' can be different. it can look as earlier &roid versions, and that's ok.
    but new 'material design' from google is horrible.
    and it was m$, who started this trend with their 'tiles'.
    why it is so annoying?
    i wish to know at a glance, which elements of interface are interactive and which are just decorative.
    i don't wish to guess it every time by the method of 'trials and errors'.
    in the classic style, the difference between a button and a label is evident.
    in the new style, even the bounds of the area of web page/panel/bar/etc are unclear.
    it's tiring! peculiar, but tiring.
    i don't wish to boast by uniqueness of the interface i use; i wish to pay no extra attention to it.



  • @terere:

    Its not Windows alone that is flat.

    iOS is flat today.
    Windows is flat today.
    Ubuntu is flat today.
    Other Linux distros like Mint are flat today
    Chrome OS is flat today

    Mac OS X is not flat
    Windows 7 is not flat
    Windows 8 and 10 are flat only if the user want it
    Android is not flat
    Most of the GNU/Linux are not flat (KDE, XFCE, LXDE, E17, Gnome are not flat).
    No, Ubuntu is not flat, or you have a weird definition of "flat".

    Most of the time, I have a computer with GNU/Linux. I am accustomed to software which don't respect the desktop environment design, but I have never seen until today a software so badly integrated to the general design. It's just horrible and ugly, nothing else.



  • @Astaoth:

    Most of the time, I have a computer with GNU/Linux. I am accustomed to software which don't respect the desktop environment design, but I have never seen until today a software so badly integrated to the general design. It's just horrible and ugly, nothing else.

    +1


  • Vivaldi Translator

    Good point is that it doesn't take so much space as for example Google's material design. Personally I don't like white colors, they hurt my eyes! I am looking forward to have the ability to customize the user interface.



  • @Astaoth:

    @terere:

    Its not Windows alone that is flat.

    iOS is flat today.
    Windows is flat today.
    Ubuntu is flat today.
    Other Linux distros like Mint are flat today
    Chrome OS is flat today

    Mac OS X is not flat
    Windows 7 is not flat
    Windows 8 and 10 are flat only if the user want it
    Android is not flat
    Most of the GNU/Linux are not flat (KDE, XFCE, LXDE, E17, Gnome are not flat).
    No, Ubuntu is not flat, or you have a weird definition of "flat".

    Most of the time, I have a computer with GNU/Linux. I am accustomed to software which don't respect the desktop environment design, but I have never seen until today a software so badly integrated to the general design. It's just horrible and ugly, nothing else.

    Are you joking or are you serious? Maybe its time to upgrade your software because all the ones I mentioned ARE FLAT in their design and icons.

    iOS since version 7:
    http://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/apple-design-goes-flat-with-ios-7/

    Windows 7 is EOL already, it will receive patches but its not developed anymore. Its outdated software since at least 3 weeks now. Windows 8 and Windows 10 we know are flat no argue there.

    Android is absolutely flat, you must be trolling:
    Google started it with Android 4.4 to say at least and their new material design is flat like paper, all their icons are flat and menus.

    Ubuntu, Gnome, etc totally going flat in case you didn't notice it, you should stay a bit more updated on their development trend because their new designs are going flat.

    I was not sure if your post was serious or not, maybe you are using old Android, iOS versions, same for Linux but every OS I mentioned and used lately is absolutely flat in their latest release.

    Quote:

    Flat design has been a trend in user interface design for a few years now. It is basically simplifying the interface by retaining the essentials and removing unimportant elements such as gloss, bevels and textures. Flat design can be described as being true to its digital medium without the need for any graphical parallelism to real world objects.

    The most popular operating systems in the world, Windows, iOS and Android…...

    Keep it here:
    http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/google-apple-microsoft-flat-design/



  • The whole Web 2.0 crapola really annoyed me. Rounded buttons everywhere, glass effect, plastic looking things. Total crap.

    Personally when I design sites I do make them a bit flat looking but with subtle gradients. Makes it look more classy.



  • @terere:

    @Astaoth:

    Mac OS X is not flat
    Windows 7 is not flat
    Windows 8 and 10 are flat only if the user want it
    Android is not flat
    Most of the GNU/Linux are not flat (KDE, XFCE, LXDE, E17, Gnome are not flat).
    No, Ubuntu is not flat, or you have a weird definition of "flat".

    Most of the time, I have a computer with GNU/Linux. I am accustomed to software which don't respect the desktop environment design, but I have never seen until today a software so badly integrated to the general design. It's just horrible and ugly, nothing else.

    iOS since version 7:
    http://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/apple-design-goes-flat-with-ios-7/

    Windows 7 is EOL already, it will receive patches but its not developed anymore. Its outdated software since at least 3 weeks now. Windows 8 and Windows 10 we know are flat no argue there.

    Android is absolutely flat, you must be trolling:
    Google started it with Android 4.4 to say at least and their new material design is flat like paper, all their icons are flat and menus.

    Ubuntu, Gnome, etc totally going flat in case you didn't notice it, you should stay a bit more updated on their development trend because their new designs are going flat.

    I was not sure if your post was serious or not, maybe you are using old Android, iOS versions, same for Linux but every OS I mentioned and used lately is absolutely flat in their latest release.

    Please, read better.

    Mac OS X is NOT iOS. Yes iOS is flat, but not Mac OS X.

    For Windows 8 and 10, yes they can be flat. But, if the user wants the old GUI, and wants to avoid this flat design, he can. There is still the classical UI, which is not flat. Actually, I never saw anyone using Metro on a computer, or just for the main menu and nothing else.

    Maybe I only know the old Android versions, since I don't have a smartphone with this OS. But I have a friend with a Xperia Z, Android is not completely flat. The desktop is not, and a big part of applications are not. Actually, there are just some buildin applications, and the setting menus. But maybe this smartphone has a old Android version.

    About GNU/Linux : as I said, you should have a weird definition of flat design. Tell me : how can you say that KDE 5 is flat ? It is the opposite. XFCE and LXDE have more or less the same design as before, when flat didn't even exist. The same for E17, with its transparency, rounded corners, shades, and reliefs.

    About Ubuntu (actually Unity) and Gnome, I don't understand why do you say they are flat. So, I'll provide you some screenshots, and, if you want and have enough time, you will tell me why do you call them flat.
    Ubuntu 14.10 : https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XchqqP1MyNU/VBrVFJyAfBI/AAAAAAAAJ8M/eCGybkDUUmg/s1600/ambiance-blackout-2.jpg
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/briketa/14950072890/
    Gnome 3 : http://cbowman57.deviantart.com/art/Putty-Dark-3-14-481676993
    http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/files/2014/09/Screenshot-from-2014-09-24-092544.png
    There are shades, grandients, transparency, rounded corners, reliefs. I always thought they are excluded of flat design. So please, explain me what you mean.



  • It is not a matter of simplicity. it is a matter of comfort for people who spend all day in front of a computer. It Has been demonstrated many years ago about the effect of colors and contrast to the eyes. Flat design is not natural for the eyes. we see in 3D and TV and glasses are evolving in that direction because it is better for eyes. With all white and flat is hard to focus where to make click, where end a box and begin another one, which windows is active…etc and etc. I still use Opera classic for the only reason of its refreshing design for the eyes.
    I can not believe how old school programmers fall into this new Metro trend. I understand this is a test Preview version but keep it mind if you want to attract more customer. Microsoft is getting worse and worse with the color for the office programs as well. Somebody is making wrong decisions or smoking too much herb.
    One last thing, multiline tabs is incredible helpful, please bring it back as well.



  • Depends on how it's done.

    It depends on the right composition of the color spectrum. The Vivald Browser i find now pretty with the Speed Dial changes and brighter colours. I like the simplicity of flat design, it's clear but meaningful.

    Because of the composition of unique integrated features, special and in some way progressive appearance and its own philosophy Vivaldi already has something other Browsers not have: personality - and the design emphasize it.

    In web design for example i like flat design like here, it looks very good: http://www.ibm.com/social-business/ca/en/newway/

    It's flat, has strong colours like purple and is eye-catching, but the neutral colours white, grey, black and the transparency effect gives the whole design a very elegance note. Effective eye-catching design and elegance are here on point and go hand in hand



  • I do most of my web browsing in full-screen mode (F11), so themes and window decorations really don't mean much to me. I'm more interested in the web content and the web browser's performance rather than what the browser looks like.

    As far as I'm concerned, the more efficiently Vivaldi can do what it's supposed to and stay out of my way, the better.



  • Just reminding you guys that this discussion was about if he could change the design, and not if flat is good or not, and "who" created it.
    What you're referring to is not "normal" but skeuomorphic design. Skeuomorphic is when some design element imitates something else, take for example the synths plugins appearances on FL Studio. Flat aims to simplify the design and remove the useless design touches. And you seem to be mistaken on the definition of flat. When you simple plain color 'buttons instead of shaded 3D buttons (like Vivaldi does), it's flat. There's also minimalism, which is aiming at the fewest elements on a page, and hides/ removes those that won't be used instantly. Google's Material is minimalist, but not flat, as it has shadows and tries to imitate paper. However, it is true that flat and minimalism are generally put together. My point is, for instance, a DOS interface is flat, but not minimalist. So flat hasn't been invented by Google nor Microsoft nor anyone. People get often mistaken on the definition of it. Now I know, while I have a preference for minimalism, some people don't. So yes, you can change it all you want if you know what you're doing; the CSS file is stored in C:\Users[username]\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\1.0.219.50\resources\vivaldi\style\common.css
    Use a CSS beautifier and it becomes easier to edit.
    It's pretty legible, but I wished they split the code in various files, it would have been easier to make modifications. Even better if Vivaldi could integrate a Compass pre-processor, eh. Well, I think this technology isn't very developed though.



  • @Ruili:

    I have noticed and loathe the current trend in UI design being pushed by MS. I really hope Vivaldi can step above that 8bit crap and give me back a desktop with depth perception.

    MS created Win 8 and sanded all its paint off so it would work on a damn phone…I have a 4ghz 64 bit PC...I don't need a crippled UI for a damn phone. :angry:

    This is the one big reason I haven't used Vivaldi.
    I want buttons with some actual depth, and integration with aero transparency with tabs that sit on the transparent titlebar.

    @planetary:

    Just reminding you guys that this discussion was about if he could change the design, and not if flat is good or not, and "who" created it.
    What you're referring to is not "normal" but skeuomorphic design.

    Actually, there is non-skeumorphic design that also isn't flat like Windows 8 etc.
    What do you think the current Opera is? It's a simple UI design that is neither flat nor skeumorphic.

    Also, take the previous Google logo for instance:
    http://lh5.ggpht.com/_7ZYqYi4xigk/S_bKEoyMSzI/AAAAAAAAGIw/w3t2qXSgdNI/d/largeNewGoogleLogoFinalFlat-a.png
    Is it skeumorphic? No. But it has depth, and is also relatively simple. It's also much better than the new flat logo.


Log in to reply
 

Looks like your connection to Vivaldi Forum was lost, please wait while we try to reconnect.