Vivaldi on Apple devices

pimalu

Why Vivaldi isn't available in Apple devices?

Komposten

Apple only allows browsers based on the WebKit engine to be added to the App Store. So if Vivaldi wants to release a version for iOS, they would have to rebuild the entire browser (since Chromium isn't WebKit). That would take a lot of time and resources to do.

(That doesn't mean that it won't happen, though, only that it will take more time.)

ingolftopf

@komposten, Vivaldi on 15.10.2021 on 'Nitter':

"Apple doesn't allow us to use our code on iOS, so an iOS version requires a lot more work and will take some time. But we want to get there eventually."

Why doesn't Apple want the Vivaldi code?
What is so wrong with the code for Apple that they don't like it???

Does Vivaldi have to 'bend' to get into the Apple Store?

Apple would only allow browsers based on Safari, is this correct?

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ingolftopf

Safari certainly radios diligently to Apple, as Chrome does to Google.
No one can control this, since it is closed source, and Apple can probably be trusted just as little as Google.

Should Vivaldi also be able to do this in order to be included in the Apple Store?

Vivaldi is quite popular with Linux, but there are far fewer Linux users than Apple users, which would be a much bigger market.
Maybe Vivaldi doesn't want to go to Apple like that, so as not to 'bend'?

Who would still use Safari then?

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Komposten

@ingolftopf said in Vivaldi on Apple devices:

Why doesn't Apple want the Vivaldi code?
What is so wrong with the code for Apple that they don't like it???

I don't think Apple has any issue with Vivaldi's code specifically. The problem is that they don't allow browsers that are based on other browser engines than WebKit, since WebKit is developed by Apple. This rule applies to all browsers, including Chrome (based on Blink) and Firefox (based on Gecko/Quantum).

This means that Apple has full control over at least the basic capabilities of all browsers, so they should all render webpages in the same way. It could also mean that all iOS browsers have Apple trackers in them, but I don't know if that is true because I can't be bothered to look it up.

So if you install Chrome from the App Store, you're not getting the normal Chrome. You're getting a WebKit-based recreation of Chrome.

ingolftopf

@komposten, thank you for your frank words.

viktoo

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Eggcorn

@pimalu Vivaldi is available on Mac OS (i.e. Macs and MacBooks). But isn't available on iOS (i.e. iPhones and iPads).

Streptococcus

@komposten said in Vivaldi on Apple devices:

Apple only allows browsers based on the WebKit engine to be added to the App Store. So if Vivaldi wants to release a version for iOS, they would have to rebuild the entire browser (since Chromium isn't WebKit). That would take a lot of time and resources to do.

(That doesn't mean that it won't happen, though, only that it will take more time.)

The user-agent in chromium browsers says the engine is WebKit, but the version used by Safari is not the Blink variety.

Komposten

@streptococcus Blink is a fork of WebKit, so that makes sense.

Oh, and the user agent also says both Mozilla and Safari in it while being neither. So it's not really meant to be used to figure out which browser you're using anymore.

Streptococcus

@komposten
Vivaldi's user-agent also says it is Chrome. It is based on Chrome, so that makes sense. To make it not quite so conspicuous, it does not say Vivaldi, since that is a minority browser.