This guy is crazy and he needs Vivaldi…



  • Some guy on Reddit was talking about which browser he could easily use not too slowly while keeping around 500 tabs open! Right here: [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/3ytaad/is_there_a_browser_that_can_support_a_lot_of_tabs/]Thread[/url] Can you believe that? I usually have a hard time even hitting 30 tabs, because while I love reading online a lot, when I'm done I usually close it. Does that strip me of my power user bonefides? :lol: I think he may have Obsessive Tab Opening Disorder, and may need a prescription of Vivaldi. One weekly dose of a snapshot. Luckily, I gave him a prescription. ;) Who here uses more than 50 tabs?



  • I got to easily 100+ tabs when I used Firefox for a bit a few years ago. Firefox could handle that with tabs hibernating and back then had a nice way of grouping them (and displaying only one group at once) so it was more or less like using them as bookmarks, or using sessions. I think a lot of Firefox users got into that habit.

    I actually think with Vivaldi, having proper shortcuts and tab cycling actually encourages use of fewer tabs. It's easier to track which ones aren't being used and close them. So with Vivaldi I use 30 at the most, and that would be a lot.



  • Whilst claims of 300 - 700 open tabs do sound a bit OCD at first blush, reading his/her description of the underlying browsing methodology rings familiar bells for me. No i do not ever get to those numbers, but my minimum # is 10 [my Pinned Tabs], my commonplace # by bedtime each late night / early morning is ~30-40, & it's far from rare that i get to 70 - 80 [but NOT permanently]. I do lots of reading & research on specific topics [as well as general news browsing]. In between research episodes [which IS rare; there always seems to be stuff to research & action] my # would drop back down towards the lower end. However when i'm deeply researching something [which often gets interrupted by the need to also research other / unrelated issues that arose too] my # certainly does easily approach my upper end, & the duration might be several days, sometimes weeks … but never permanent. Once i've reviewed each tab i opened wrt relevance to the current research goal, & especially if i've had a chance to deploy its info if useful, one of two things will occur. If the tab was useful but i estimate the underlying issue would likely never recur, i'll simply then close it. Conversely, given i'm a hoarder of handy info into my deeply hierarchical bookmarks [including, but not only, speeddials], if it was helpful AND i rate a future need to revisit the issue as plausible, then it'll get bookmarked before closing it.

    V's session management is far too primitive for me yet to assist in my above workflow. In the interim, i'm a big user of the OneTab extension, via which i save large numbers of tabs into Named Groups [which for those who don't know OT, closes the associated tabs in favour of the hyperlinks to those addresses now created in OT]. Almost all of these are "medium term temporary", for situations when i know i still need to continue my research & follow-on activities on specific topics [hence i do not yet want to bookmark or delete them] but also realise that conflicting time constraints necessitate potentially weeks/months before i'll be able to return to these [hence no sense in keeping them open & active].

    Once V's session management is fully developed, i know i'll be able to substantially improve the above workflow. However until then, my evolved methodology as above, critically dependent on tab-stacking + OneTab, means that for me V is vastly superior to all other browsers i've tried … & that is very many.

    PS - Though i really dislike Firefox Australis, i think the Pale Moon fork is very good [if you like the Mozilla design ethos]. Both these browsers have one very nice feature – Panorama [tab groups]. It's far from perfect, but it's an immensely useful feature, & facilitates a kind of session management / OneTab melded functionality. Notwithstanding, V retains my affection & loyalty.



  • I don't have more than 5 or so tabs while browsing normally. The reason is that I'm a close freak fan. I don't like to have things open which I don't use (its wasting resources for nothing). So in my computer when I stop using a software, I closed it. Same on mobile, I close the app after finishing. And same with tabs, I close it after I'm done. Its not perfect because I find myself reopening the same tab over and over again but I use the history for that. In my experience this is more efficient in work, because plenty of software have memory leaks and leaving them open for hours can cause performance problems. Same with tabs. Leaving them open for hours will cause browsers to go crazy unless they are extremely stable.

    Now, I do have the need to support that many tabs from time time. When I need to manipulate some data, I open hundred or more tabs. This does not last long, as I do something on each tab, close it, and go to the next, and so eventually I reduce all tabs again to almost nothing. But its absolutely horrible when a browser crashes at this point and you can't remember where you where left. In particular with pagination elements that include several pages.

    I'm not sure if Vivaldi is a right fit here. Vivaldi is not exactly RAM friendly when it comes to tabs since its based on Chromium. So its surely not the best browser if you plan to keep hundred or more tabs open all the time.



  • @Steffie:

    Whilst claims of 300 - 700 open tabs do sound a bit OCD at first blush, reading his/her description of the underlying browsing methodology rings familiar bells for me. No i do not ever get to those numbers, but my minimum # is 10 [my Pinned Tabs], my commonplace # by bedtime each late night / early morning is ~30-40, & it's far from rare that i get to 70 - 80 [but NOT permanently]. I do lots of reading & research on specific topics [as well as general news browsing]. In between research episodes [which IS rare; there always seems to be stuff to research & action] my # would drop back down towards the lower end. However when i'm deeply researching something [which often gets interrupted by the need to also research other / unrelated issues that arose too] my # certainly does easily approach my upper end, & the duration might be several days, sometimes weeks … but never permanent. Once i've reviewed each tab i opened wrt relevance to the current research goal, & especially if i've had a chance to deploy its info if useful, one of two things will occur. If the tab was useful but i estimate the underlying issue would likely never recur, i'll simply then close it. Conversely, given i'm a hoarder of handy info into my deeply hierarchical bookmarks [including, but not only, speeddials], if it was helpful AND i rate a future need to revisit the issue as plausible, then it'll get bookmarked before closing it.

    V's session management is far too primitive for me yet to assist in my above workflow. In the interim, i'm a big user of the OneTab extension, via which i save large numbers of tabs into Named Groups [which for those who don't know OT, closes the associated tabs in favour of the hyperlinks to those addresses now created in OT]. Almost all of these are "medium term temporary", for situations when i know i still need to continue my research & follow-on activities on specific topics [hence i do not yet want to bookmark or delete them] but also realise that conflicting time constraints necessitate potentially weeks/months before i'll be able to return to these [hence no sense in keeping them open & active].

    Once V's session management is fully developed, i know i'll be able to substantially improve the above workflow. However until then, my evolved methodology as above, critically dependent on tab-stacking + OneTab, means that for me V is vastly superior to all other browsers i've tried … & that is very many.

    PS - Though i really dislike Firefox Australis, i think the Pale Moon fork is very good [if you like the Mozilla design ethos]. Both these browsers have one very nice feature – Panorama [tab groups]. It's far from perfect, but it's an immensely useful feature, & facilitates a kind of session management / OneTab melded functionality. Notwithstanding, V retains my affection & loyalty.

    Don't you find that renaming or organizing tabs to be a waste of time? In particular if you close them after you have read them completely?

    Organizing bookmarks is one thing, but sessions? Sessions are temporary. I don't see how it can be productive to organize them in categories when that alone is making you lose time and so to be more unproductive vs just dealing with the tab in that time. It seems what you need is something like Pocket, which is exactly for that type of use (temporary things). Things which don't deserve a bookmark but you need to deal later, are perfect for bedtime or reading later (when you think you have the time and energy).

    The problem with Pocket is that as you keep sending things you may even forget what you send there. But at least its not a bookmark. I used the Read Later feature in the new Opera exactly for those things as well and I actually loved that approach of having a visible dashboard of the browser with all the stuff I send there. I then was able to decide what to do with them.



  • Hi terere. Re your "Don't you find that renaming or organizing tabs to be a waste of time?" –> um, nope. I can't speak for others, but this little red duck assiduously avoids activities that simply waste her time. I retired mid last year, but my working life prior was as a professional engineer, in mainly analytical & diagnostic roles. Inefficiency & ineffectiveness are utterly anathema to me. If something is inefficient or ineffective yet i still need to be involved with it, i will take steps to redesign or at least refine the process & its tools. If i don't need to be involved then i'll skip it altogether. That philosophy encompassed my entire professional life, & also still my private life. My progressively evolved browser methodologies / workflows suit my purposes very well ... to the limits imposed by the current technology itself [which of course i always hope to get better, so that i can continue to get better too]. I'm not quite sure what kind of a person would undertake activities they recognise as "a waste of time", for which they have total agency over choosing to do or not, yet opt to blunder on regardless. All i know is i am not one of those people. All that said, i'm also not one of those people who expect others to have to see things my way. I'm happy to learn from others, & offer my own contributions, but if that is deemed silly by others, it's ok with me. I happily trust that intelligent autonomous individuals are free to decide for themselves.



  • That guy is not crazy, but insane. I don't think, and I don't hope, that Vivaldi ever will listen to such wishes. I believe, that this is a kind of joke to harass the developing team. I suppose they have better things to do, than dealing with net morons.


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    This idea of having so many tabs open being "normal" is due to people forgetting about bookmarks, since asking the googles to provide, and since browsers started hiding the bookmarks in a menu.
    "Oh but I don't want it permanent" they say, forgetting immediately that bookmarks can be deleted.

    People with 100s of tabs open are suffering the same denial as those that don't delete their emails.
    They are not being effective with their time and finishing what they are doing before wandering into another site.

    Like old Opera was, Vivaldi is designed to increase productivity, rather than enable more sloppy behaviour.
    We now have a far more advanced Notes feature, so the excuse that "I have it open because I need to reference something" is not valid if you use the tools correctly.
    You can compile all your notes into a project which is still there even if you lose all your tabs and bookmarks.

    If you haven't actually looked at the other tabs for over a day, it is again proof that you should just make a new bookmark group and tidy up.
    Enjoy a faster browser, more RAM and come back to your group later. They are not lost, and will open quickly if your cache is not emptied.

    It just reminds me of children that insist on emptying their toybox just to play with 1 toy, and then complain because they are told to tidy up, "Oh but I am playing with that, and that, and that".


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