One thing I have never understood



  • Hi, I've been a fan of Opera for years and always loved how quick the program is to use in general. However there was always one issue which unfortunately meant I couldn't use it as my main browser. This issue is also prevalent in Vivaldi. It's such a simple and basic issue but it really irritates me. If I have lots of tabs open and I use my mouse to point and click to chose which tab I want to be active, I have to make sure that I point the mouse up and then slightly down by 5px for the tab to be clickable (selectable). [b]Why!?[/b] This is how I browse tabs, if you want to quickly move to a tab on the top right of your window, why can't you just shoosh your mouse up there and click as it his the top of the tab. Having to move the cursor down a bit every time you move to a tab is just far too infuriating to me. Does everyone else use CTRL+a number or something? I can't believe I'm the only user who finds this annoying.



  • I also agree with this, but to be fair Chrome does also have this issue.


  • Moderator

    Ask this as a feature request in the forum



  • personally, I expect that if I move my mouse to the very top of any window, I should be able to drag and move the window - which it does.

    Moving the 5px down to click the tabs is perfect imo.


  • Moderator

    @Teppic : It's my choice too, probably due to Opera long usage :)



  • @Teppic that's fair enough. Maybe we can have an option for people who are used to clicking tabs at the top though?

    @starshadowx2 in Chrome I can click the top of a tab and it activates that tab. I'm using Windows 8.1 btw, should have mentioned that.

    PS: Not sure where this should go but you guys need to add in CTRL+Enter = .com support :)



  • Probably HERE.

    As for your original question - one of the reasons I just can't stand Chrome is that if I want to quickly move the window from fullscreen to somewhere else, I always just end up throwing a tab out to a new window.

    I love it that Opera always had those extra couple of pixels for me to grab onto when moving the window.



  • It seems I am in the minority, anyway I've added it to that thread. Hopefully there will be an option for it, it is seriously the one thing that has held me back from using Opera for years.

    Users will always use software/websites in different ways and I don't want this to get into a this way is better type of thread, but do you really move the window around more than you switch tabs? The only time I tend to move the window is with window key + L/R and if I wanted to move it I'd just move my mouse over to the right where tabs stop. But anyways, each to their own! :)



  • @zerodburn: Since you obviously seem to lack that info: Opera does have a setting called "Disable tab bar's top spacing" that fixes exactly that. It's the first thing I always turn on after installing it…



  • Perfect! Thanks Christoph142.

    I couldn't actually find this setting in Vivaldi but hopefully it will be there soon.


  • Vivaldi Team

    Pro tip: Disable tab stacks and try to maximize. Whoopa, space is gone! ;)



  • @atlemo:

    Pro tip: Disable tab stacks and try to maximize. Whoopa, space is gone! ;)

    BTW, this ATM has the side effect of leaving the windows with almost NO draggable area on the top bar, the area below the windows controls becomes really tiny.

    The only drag option becomes then the vertical panel, but the majority of the users don't know it's draggable.



  • @The_Solutor:

    BTW, this ATM has the side effect of leaving the windows with almost NO draggable area on the top bar, the area below the windows controls becomes really tiny.

    The only drag option becomes then the vertical panel, but the majority of the users don't know it's draggable.

    The drag area is enormous if the tab thumbnails are shown. I don't see it as a serious issue for people who like the tabs to the top of the window because such users like to work in a maximised window, hence they don't need to drag the window. There's always the Windows key Left/Right Up/Down.

    BTW: Double-click anywhere on the tab bar maximises the window, but doesn't restore it.



  • @Pesala:

    The drag area is enormous if the tab thumbnails are shown. I don't see it as a serious issue for people who like the tabs to the top of the window because such users like to work in a maximised window, hence they don't need to drag the window. There's always the Windows key Left/Right Up/Down.

    When I mention a problem is not necessarily a my problem, but is something that I thing can be a problem for others.

    People who test Vivaldi for the first time, people who never comes here looking for help and so on

    BTW: Double-click anywhere on the tab bar maximises the window, but doesn't restore it.

    I hope that sooner or later the double click for a new tab will be [re]implemented.

    Thanks god the doubleclik on the tabbar doesn't resize the windows. It;s likely the most hideous behavior of Chrome and Opium



  • @The_Solutor:

    Thanks god the doubleclik on the tabbar doesn't resize the windows. It;s likely the most hideous behavior of Chrome and Opium

    When people use emotive language like that, it is clear that they have a problem. The fact is, that this double-click behaviour is also shared by Firefox, IE11, and just about every program out there, apart from Opera 12.17, which uses double-click to open a new tab. The truth is you could soon get used to it. There are many ways to open a new tab.

    Way too much is made about these few pixels at the top of the Window. If you don't usually work in a maximised window then it doesn't affect you. if you usually do, you probably want the tabs to the top for quick tab access. I don't want to lose Tab-stacking to get it, but it's not a deal-breaker. I could manage better without tab-stacks than without tabs to the top.



  • @Pesala:

    When people use emotive language like that, it is clear that they have a problem.

    I would be more worried about the people who replies this way to a message that in no way can't be taken as offensive or unpolite.

    I assume you had a bad day, today.

    apart from Opera 12.17, which uses double-click to open a new tab

    Maybe this is one of the zillions of reasons because I use Opera and not Firefox,Explorer, Whatever



  • @zerodburn:

    Does everyone else use CTRL+a number or something? I can't believe I'm the only user who finds this annoying.

    Since the prevalence of widescreen displays I use tabs on the side. IMO, it's a much better use of screen real estate. Before that I used tabs on the bottom for two reasons: 1) that's how Opera started out and I got used to it, 2) Windows task bar is on the bottom too, so I can do all my switching (apps and tabs) without having to move all the way across the screen.



  • Tabs on the side merely wastes the Windows Title bar area, which otherwise is used by Tabs on the Top. On wide-screen monitors it makes better sense to use the horizontal space to keep the panels open than it does to waste it on tabs that take no extra space if at the top.

    A lot of Opera users are accustomed to Ctrl + # to go to a speed dial. Firefox users may be familiar with using it for select the first, second, third… tab on the tab bar. Vivaldi lets you reassign shortcuts — I use Ctrl 1-5 for Bookmarks, Mail, Contacts, Downloads, and Notes. Later, I suspect it will possible to assign those shortcuts to Speed Dials or something else useful.

    Many Opera users may be accustomed to the 1,2 shortcuts for previous/next tab with single-key shortcuts enabled. I use Tab and Shift Tab for that, so 1,2,3,4,5 are more useful for zooming 100, 120, 130, 140, 150%. Customisable is best, but even in a highly customisable browser there are always going to be some things that don't suit your personal preference. Learn to adapt or you will suffer needlessly. There is nearly always another way of achieve the same aim.



  • For me, tabs on the (left) side in Opera was an instant win; once I started using it I couldn't live without it. I'm not saying other people should like it, but for me it's a make-or-break these days. One simple reason is that text is horizontal, so stacking tabs vertically means the text stays readable rather than disappearing as the tabs shrink in horizontal tab mode. It just feels more "natural" to me.

    But everyone has their own preferences. And that's what I liked in Classic Opera and am so glad about with Vivaldi: choice. I know this is still early days for Vivaldi, but discovering that "the spirit of Opera" was not dead thanks to Vivaldi has been pure awesome for me. I tried Opium and realised rapidly that this "new Opera" was not a browser for people like me; I've been struggling along with a mixture of Opera 12, IE and Firefox since. I can't wait for the first official release.



  • Tabs on the side feels also more natural because resembles the classic addressbook paradigm

    This is from OS2 (around 1994/1995)

    This is from Lotus Organizer (1992-2003)


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