Separate Mail from Panels
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I just started using Mail Beta and I'm having major issues with the UI due to the forced use of panels. I don't use panels for anything else so I don't want to keep them open all the time.
Now when I want to read my new emails I have to first open the panels, then the actual unread mail and when I'm finished I have to close both the mail and the panels. Even if had the panel bar open I still have to make an extra click to close the Mail panel in addition to the Mail tab.
I'd like Mail to be contained in a tab like Calendar and History. If I remember correctly, this is how email worked in the old Opera browser.
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@qazsernos Nope, it's not. Opera Mail was in a panel.
That said, Vivaldi may offer more flexibility in this regard in days to come. At present, it's not practical. The folder list incorporates panel-type functions, and so a panel is presently necessary. You can close panels and still deal with emails and the the mail list, but then you lose access to the mail folders interface.
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@ayespy Thanks for your response. It's been a long time since I used the Opera integrated mail.
I hope Vivaldi will eventually improve upon this! In the mean while I'll have to decide between continuing to use a separate email client with its slow startup times and smashing F4 for panels in Vivaldi.
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@qazsernos I find F4 to be near-zero effort.
That said, I have the opposite preference to yours. I want the panel to include the mail list, while I work on the web, adjacent. Then I can click on a specific mail in the list to move into email. To each his own, yeah?
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@ayespy Yeah, it would optimal to have both use cases covered as options! Like History and Calendar work both as a separate tabs and within panels.
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@ayespy I would like the panel to include the mail list, but when I enter M3, I should still see the mail and folder list even if I close the panel or have a floating panel.
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@code3 Yes. That requires migrating the entire mail interface to tabs, not panels. Not trivial.
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@ayespy Is it? Everything is probably a react component.
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Hi, i just jump in with my wish, because it might help your reqest too.
I want to "pin" the Mail Sidebar to the Mail-Tab. I switched to Vivaldi Mail today, finally and whenever I opened the Mail-Tab, I wanted to see the Sidebar as well. Else I care little for the Mail-sidebar. Although I use some sidebar-Features.
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I have the panel on the right side so it's very strange from ui perspective to have the mail directories and mail tree on the right side.
I really hope there will be an option to integrate the mail tree in the mailtab
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I think these are actually a duplicate of this one:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53516/read-mail-in-side-panel/2?_=1638092266343
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53339/always-open-panel-in-mail-view
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/67432/allow-mail-be-opened-in-multiple-tabs
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/64370/request-open-mail-window-and-panel-with-one-click-shortcut/If I understand it correctly, migrating mail to a tab would also allow multiple tabs with mail to be opened, no? And one could put the tab with mail into a webpanel too (which would be my prefered use case). Not sure if this is doable as long as mail is implemented as an extension, is it?
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@felagund The mail provider is a specialized extension. At present, it can only appear in one tab. If it were more tabs, then potentially an infinite number of discrete demands and responses to a single mail server would have to accommodated, while only affecting a single local mail database. Not entirely simple.
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Well, I would rather expect there to be some kind of middleman between the tabs and both the local database and the server (so to them both Vivaldi would still appear as single instance no matter how many mail tabs would be open) - I think the use case some people are interested in (including me) is being able to work with several mail views concurently, not to create multiple connections to the server. But I an imagine even this is technically very far from trivial.
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Jumping in to +1 the OPs request - I, too, wish that the Mail client could be contained in a tab (I also don't use the panel for anything else). Also, the tab containing the mail client could be pinned, thus effectively allowing me to ditch my standalone mail client.
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@superphysics said in Separate Mail from Panels:
Also, the tab containing the mail client could be pinned
the mail tab can be pinned. So if you do most of your mail stuff in Unread it's ok, but as soon as you want to search the database, opening the panel is pretty much required.
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@wildente Yes - it can be pinned, but not much use pinning it if none of the folders, or all the major functionality from the panels, is missing.
So basically, I'd love it, the way OP has mentioned.
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I was actually thinking about this deeper based on this thread: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53339/always-open-panel-in-mail-view/12
and I realized that having a mail panel in its current form is an inconsistency with the design of other panels. Because the other panels can be used autonomously. In bookmarks, you see details of a bookmark and can edit them and launch them. The same in contacts, notes or calendar or downloads etc. The tab versions of these panels offer some extra information or views, but they are not strictly necessary of usage of the panels. Mail panel without its tab is rather useless in general. So to me, it would really make sense to move mail to a tab (at least as an option, which should be on by default though).
The problem then is about discoverability of mail though - maybe it could be pinned as a tab by default? Or it could be included in a panel by default as a tab?
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This never bothered me with Opera12, and I don't recall discussions on the myopera forum to have the mail panel integrated into the mail tab. But yes, there is this inconsistency
For casual mailing (which most people do outside of work) a panel for quick mailing might be good, and if you need the full power of mail, you switch to the mail tab just like it's done with calendar, bookmarks, history...
Suggestions I made just for reference:
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having a mail panel in its current form is an inconsistency with the design of other panels
Certainly some inconsistency, but that does not mean that having the panel would be wrong. You get a quick overview of the number of new & unread items, you can compose new messages (if you have not assigned a shortcut to do that), and you can retrieve new messages.
Mail panel without its tab is rather useless in general.
So no, I disagree. If I see that new messages for certain accounts have been received, I may be interested to click on them directly, while for others I may wait for some time. I do not need to fully switch to another tab, which would be much more of a distraction.
Having mentioned that, the possibilities for the mail panel are certainly more limited, but vivaldi://notes, vivaldi://bookmarks and espeically vivaldi://calendar and vivaldi://history also all offer more possibilities than their respective panels. But: they all can still work fully independent of their panel, which is different for mail, because here folder navigation or a reset (e.g. after using a contact search) requires panel availability as of now.
Could the mail panel be integrated into vivaldI://mail? Probably yes. But like @WildEnte, I do personally prefer it as it is.
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@wildente said in Separate Mail from Panels:
This never bothered me with Opera12, and I don't recall discussions on the myopera forum to have the mail panel integrated into the mail tab. But yes, there is this inconsistency
Vivaldi has more panels (webpanels) and at least for me it has more usable tiling (Opera made the tabs into little windows that to me felt cumbersome, also I now have bigger monitor so I use tiling way more), so IÂ use mail and Vivaldi a bit differently than Opera.
- email at a glance panel https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/60024/email-at-a-glance-panel-incl-list-and-preview-unread-panel
This would be awesome!
@jumpsq said in Separate Mail from Panels:
So no, I disagree. If I see that new messages for certain accounts have been received, I may be interested to click on them directly, while for others I may wait for some time.
If only unread counts worked! I have no 8 unread messages but various views show way more than that in a badge (gmail shows 296, when I go to gmail's website, it show fie unread e-mails).
Obviously, different users have different views, but I thin WildEntes's suggestion of a simplified mail panel could work well for both out our words (maybe with a setting to also show other folders than unread if user so chooses, so one could configure to show the e-mails one cares about in the panel right away)