Discarded Opera feature
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I know, but I miss Opera <15 UserJS - not GM-Scripts :p
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… and the chromium emulation is bad because it does not offer full GM support despite loading on DOMContentLoaded or even later.
What features supported by GM do you miss? To me it seems like most GM features consist of, to put it bluntly, useless duplication or obfuscation of regular JS functionality.
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It's only after moving to FireFox that I realized how much I miss these:
- Bookmarks
- Site preferences
- Nicknames
- Panels
- Link
- Having 60-70 tabs open and no slowdowns in any program
- Notes
- Feed manager (I even switched to QuiteRSS)
- Custom buttons (yes, everywhere :p)
- Tab stacking
- user css (and user js)
- F12
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Firefox has keywords. They don't autocomplete like nicknames when you use go to nickname (Shift+F2 by default), but otherwise they're pretty much the same.
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Actually, another browsers are not comfortable as Opera. You always searching something on other browsers to be fast or to reach content easily. Maybe it reagrds with customization but feeling is absolutely different.
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I was running Linux earlier, and it occurred to me … the browser which comes closest to Presto in features is none other than Konqueror. For those not familiar with Linux, Konqueror is the default browser of the KDE desktop, and actually their renderer was the original basis for WebKit. It has tabs, supports returning to last focused tab on close, has a menu bar, readily customizable toolbars and shortcuts, gestures, etc. Unfortunately its gestures use the left mouse button, and it doesn't have the ability to combine actions when customizing. No simple Windows or Mac port though ... there is a KDE for Windows/Mac project but they advise you it is still alpha.
But it actually has Opera bookmark import, fairly easy import of urlfilter.INI rules, etc. ... and a huge variety of Identify As settings.
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there is a KDE for Windows/Mac project but they advise you it is still alpha.
I ran the very first (pre?) alpha release of that, and since the second release it's been quite good for various purposes. I used Okular as my primary PDF reader for a few years, for instance.
Simply put, I've seen plenty of "stable" software that was significantly less stable.
NB What I'm saying about the software in general may not apply to Konqueror.
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Moved to Linux a few months back but have never tried Konqueror… Thanks for the tip!
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I do use "Opium" primarily - in Windows. Of course in Linux I'm using 12.16. That's not to say I'm really a fan of Opera 18/19/20, there are just so many sites which break in Presto now.
I too have reluctantly moved on from Opera 12.16 because a few cloud sites that are important to me break in Presto. This is a big wrench after using Opera for 17 years or so. Firefox can be made somewhat like the old Opera - but not so good.
Although I am a Linux user I have tested Opera 15-20 on Windows and have been appalled at the lack of features. Chromium is much better and has a functioning bookmarks manager. So why is Opera 20 still so bad? More importantly can it be turned into a useful browser or should we now give up on it?
Can ex-Opera coders step in and and write some open source extensions to restore functionality?
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back to topic:
What happened to the good old navigation bar?
It is quite handy from time to time and some sites still provide the necessary link rel= in the head.
It is still part of the HTML5 spec, so what might be the reason that almost no UA utilizes it to provide some handy extra navigation?While we are on it:
This forum does not provide link rel=
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- search
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Firefox can be made somewhat like the old Opera - but not so good.
Not so good as old Opera but much better than Chropera
**So why is Opera 20 still so bad?
That must be a rhetorical question I don't think a Chropera developer will agree with you that it's so bad or will advise you to move on.More importantly can it be turned into a useful browser or should we now give up on it?
As it looks to me it can't but that's just me.
I've used Opera for more than a decade as my primary browser and still use Presto.
However, a piece of software is not a religion, once christian, moslem or jew always christian, moslem or jew ;)** -
new opera is no doubt poor../ugly. But you have to praise them for keeping opera resistant to crap toolbar+browser hijacker as with ff,ie,chrome.
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Konqueror sometimes has compatibility issues. Especially on google stuff. Reminding anyone of something?
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this is what i use:
i'm using daily :
- notes
- iRC client
- tab stacking
- sessions (with startup dialog)
- quick preferences (F12)
- sites preferences
- content blocker
- tab selector (mouse or CTRL+TAB)
- Open with… contextual menu
- restore closed tab/window
- spatial navigation
- complete history search (indexed textual content)
- toolbar and keyboard/mouse shortcut customization
- cookies manager
- FULL full screen (only webpage, without scrollbars and so)
- Fit to width
- Fast forward
- bookmarks manager (opera had the best bookmark manager for a long time)
- private tabs
- custom style
- custom buttons with combined actions (adding that "minimise all" was great)
- opera:cache
- custom default search !
-change proxy
-opera turbo
personally, i don't care which rendering engine is used. i just want the features from opera 12 and for the browser to remain up to date. oh, bring back skinning from opera 5 or 6 please. oh, BOOKMARKS. for crying out loud, even Mosaic had bookmarks. why the fuck can't they do that with the latest opera? finally, the browser itself being portable by default is a huge plus.
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Another one is the ability to move the 'status field'. Most browsers now have a link address appear at the bottom of the screen in the left corner when you hover over a link. I like to move it to the top of the screen up on the address bar by the address field.
+1. I miss that. Having a big wide screen, moving from looking the address bar to the bottom of the screen (or looking at the tab) to see if it loads and what is a pain. With the loading status inside the address field, it was very comfortable. And since they removed the search field, there is even more room.
Also:
- Notes were useful (although I found a workaround)
- Link (but it is currently replaced)
The static entries for form-filling (soooo useful)found them in Opera 20. yay !- Shortcuts for key & mouse : I need my single-key shortcuts and my custom mouse gestures for going to top/bottom, and I need them customizable
- tabs with thumbnails
- moveable tab bar : with 16/9 screen, I like it vertical
- tab stacks (having 30 tabs is a pain without stacks, and many windows are not a solution)
- mail client (well, I still expect the new mail client to improve, but have some doubts).
Good vibes, though:
- custom search is there with keywords
- I like the speed dial & stash system. It works for me
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oh man, i forgot about the tab thumbnails. those are so useful. opera use has become so natural to me that i don't really think about the features. going to chrome or chropera feels so alien. so many little features found in opera are done differently is simply don't exist in other browsers.
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I'm curious, what is the feature missing keeping you back?
My main browser is still Opera 12, but I use the new Opera more and more. It mostly works well, but there are a few things I'm missing such as being able to open a file from the download dialog instead of saving it.
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opera:config, specifically the "Allow Scripts To Navigate In History" toggle
site prefs and content blocking
bookmark manager
too many others to mention… and most mentioned previously.
One of the major benefits of Opera was size. The entire program was on a floppy disk when I first started to use it (windows 3.11). O12 was perhaps 10 MB(?).
The new version is three times that with fewer features, less functionality is a memory hog and is constantly writing to the HD.
Still a beta product in my opinion.
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What I miss more and more is the ability to open links in a foreground tab when I wish to do so.
[ul]- Read interesting text with a link
- Click link to open in foreground tab
- Read that
- Close tab and read on the original article
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It is only one click less than activating a background tab, as it is now, but it adds up over time …
Still a beta product in my opinion.
More an Alpha in the old meaning:
Not yet feature complete and with the occasional bug, sometimes newly added features introduce bugs or make the software instable.Beta would be feature complete, with bugs that have to be squashed before it becomes a RC or Stable|Final.
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Still a beta product in my opinion.
More an Alpha in the old meaning:
Not yet feature complete and with the occasional bug, sometimes newly added features introduce bugs or make the software instable.Beta would be feature complete, with bugs that have to be squashed before it becomes a RC or Stable|Final.
You are right.
I would have placed the Dev version as as Alpha, perhaps it is pre-Alpha(?).