Discarded Opera feature



  • So for some weird reason we seem to have many Opera users in this forum :-p https://vivaldi.net/forum/browsers/9-what-browser-do-you-use-and-why shows that a lot of users are sticking with older(presto) versions of Opera. I'm curious, what is the feature missing keeping you back? Personally I'm using 12 due to integrated mail support. I'm a fan of the "internet suite" approach :woohoo:



  • Bookmark manager! :P

    BTW, I'm posting from Opera Next 19. :side:



  • I've been using a heavily customized, rarely changing but not stagnant setup since the Opera 8.x days.

    A few features I rather like are:

    • customization options (keyboard, toolbars, buttons, menus)
    • user control (e.g. site preferences, disabling author styles, etc. kinda combines with the buttons above too; main point being it's my browser)
    • integrated newsfeeds (also, indicator icon)
    • bookmarks (seriously, bookmarks!?)
    • Linux
    • panels


  • I'm using Opera 18. Not being a power user and not having a myriad of bookmarks, nothing is really holding me back. I never really used the integrated mail client to any extent and I seldom have more than half a dozen tabs open so I'm not missing much. I will admit, however, that I would like to have the ability to customize the interface of the browser. Skins would be cool. :)



    1. Lack of customising shortcuts, gestures, menus, and toolbars
    2. It's noisy — I cannot run it without my PC buzzing
    3. No tab-stacking
    4. No skins — themes are a waste of time
    5. PageDown/PageUp behaviour is broken
    6. WAV files do not play at all, let alone without opening another tab like Firefox
    7. No notes (which I use mostly for boiler-plate text)

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    You make me addict to so much kind and smartly designed featureS…

    i'm using daily :

    • panels (bookmarks, twitter, info, links, ...)
    • notes
    • M2 (mail, newsgroups, feed reader)
    • iRC client
    • tab stacking
    • sessions (with startup dialog)
    • quick preferences (F12)
    • sites preferences
    • content blocker
    • tab selector (mouse or CTRL+TAB)
    • Open with... contextual menu
    • restore closed tab/window

    Sometimes, when needed :

    • spatial navigation
    • complete history search (indexed textual content)
    • toolbar and keyboard/mouse shortcut customization
    • cookies manager
    • FULL full screen (only webpage, without scrollbars and so)
    • Fit to width
    • Custom style
    • Fast forward
    • bookmarks manager
    • private tabs
    • custom style
    • custom buttons with combined actions
    • opera:cache
    • custom default search !
    • Bittorrent

    I think i never find another Internet Suite offering most of that again…



  • side panel with notes and mouse gestures (customizable)
    that's what I miss the most :(



  • Integrated mail
    Shortcuts/Customizable mouse gestures
    Tab Selection (Ctrl+Mousewheel)
    Progress Bar Pop up with statistics
    Ctrl+# for Speed Dial
    Fast Forward
    Panels
    Private Tabs
    Quick Preferences
    Content Blocking
    Cache viewer (opera:cache)

    Really, there's just so much stuff that Presto Opera has in it. A lot of times I don't use a feature for weeks, but it's great to have it when the right situation for it comes up. I don't want to spend my time searching for extensions.

    And, for as slow as people say Presto is, it always feels much more responsive than other browsers. It starts up faster for me. The UI feels much more responsive (except when I open up a bunch of pages at once, or certain sites that bog the browser down). Even Presto's smooth scrolling seems a lot better.

    Most of all, I don't think Chromium-based Opera really improved anything. I don't see much of a use for Stash. Discover is okay, but I rarely look at it. I do like the Speed Dial folders, but other than that, it's more limited than Presto's Speed Dial.



  • @olli:

    I'm curious, what is the feature missing keeping you back?

    You mean probably features.
    Let me tell you, almost all features that made Opera unique have vanished with your new browser.
    You must know better than me which those features were, so I don't have to enumerate them again.
    Every one of those features was very important for some whilst nobody used all of them.
    I for once have given up using M2 long time ago because of lack of further developement.

    Not only unique Opera features have vanished but basic ones which everybody would expect from a decent client, did also.
    Let me remind you just one that wasn't mentioned in this thread so far.
    Try to set up a local (filtering) proxy which you can turn on/off on the fly for the new Opera and you'll get an idea what I'm talking about.

    When first released as final version (15) the new product reminded me of a half baked pre-alpha version.
    Even so Opera ASA considered that it is ready to be released for aunt Gertrude.
    I can only wish Opera ASA good luck with their new browser because I'm for sure not part of the user base the new Opera is aimed for.



  • @ra-mon:

    • spatial navigation

    Oh yes.

    @Krake:

    Let me remind you just one that wasn't mentioned in this thread so far.
    Try to set up a local (filtering) proxy which you can turn on/off on the fly for the new Opera and you'll get an idea what I'm talking about.

    I was rather non-specific when I said user-control, but I mean this kind of thing in general. It's rather tied in with buttons and keyboard bindings too.


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    @ugly:

    I do like the Speed Dial folders, but other than that, it's more limited than Presto's Speed Dial.

    The initial Speed Dial design (2007) was a useful & speed minded feature (like previous "Start bar"). IMHO, it became, with all further "improvements", a mess… And now a just-for-aunt-Gertrude-bookmarks-manager :silly:



  • I've already made several lists but one think I miss lately in particular is a possibility to "Open" file instead of saving it.



  • Main
    1. terrible light fonts (from chrome)
    2. twitch autoscroll (from chrome)
    3. Notes
    And many other restrictions chromium.



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  • Meaningful Configurability… that is:
    Full-function bookmarks manager
    Ability to tweak toolbars (or even have toolbars): what gets displayed, where bars are placed, etc
    Ability to place useful custom function/multi-function buttons on a bar
    Ability to create and preserve custom default search engines
    Ability to use/create custom skins (not just background picture themes)
    Site Preferences
    Content blocker
    Shortcut customization
    (Also: browser wasn't continually writing to storage drive)



  • [ul]

    • Decent site preferences
      I'd love to see some similar to the ones chromium has, they had a really good idea for the UI
    • Custom Buttons!
      Not extensions but those nice one liners that can ease up the daily life. I use 28 atm.
      Real screenshot. No Joke!
    • Integrated Mail, News and RSS would be fine too.
      Especially if it can handle a really big load of mails and news - no, web mail is no viable alternative for me.
    • The ability to edit the raw source code, not only the computed like in the developer tools.
    • IRC!
    • 100 Tabs open at the same time without bringing my computer to his knees
    • A decent sidebar, best capable to add web panels or mobile sites to it too
      [/ul]

    There is a ton of other stuff, but these are the most important items for me.


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    oh, and all those nice .ini (and all other plain text) files VS new and atrocious sqlite (or other .pak) files :angry:



  • Almost by itself, the lack of Linux support is enough to ruin Opera Next for me.

    Since about 2006, I almost never have any reason to run Windows. In fact, before I knew how to set up a fully functional rescue system on a removable device, there were times I ran Windows for the specific purpose of upgrading Opera, so that I'd be able to do things my own way easily in case some future damage might require a boot to Windows just to get on line and find a fix for my usual OS. Now, apparently, running even IE for that purpose would be a better choice than using any version of Opera newer than the one I can run on Linux.

    Until very recently, even when a new build didn't support Linux, I would still sometimes download a Windows executable just to see what cool new stuff I could look forward to finding in the next Debian package, because nearly every Windows build I fetched ran almost flawlessly on WINE. But now I can't do even that much, on a system where installing an obsolete version of WINE took an enormous effort that I don't care to repeat soon. Opera 19's installer runs, but the browser doesn't open.

    Combined with the plans to take down the My Opera site, these dumbings-down of the interface are enough to make me suspect that the company is repelling long-time Linux users like me deliberately, hoping to attract more people who can't read as much as an .ini file, don't want to learn how, and don't mind being reduced to the status of a mined marketing statistic.

    Of the specific features already listed in this topic as missing from the Opera versions I can't run, there aren't many I wouldn't miss, even among those I rarely use.

    The losses that stand out most as potentially fatal to my fifteen-year preference for Opera, though, are all either privacy and security options, or ways to personalize the layout of the toolbars and pages (or both, as in the case of the buttons I've used for years to bypass my proxy temporarily, or to enable JavaScript where I'd rather keep it turned off, or to toggle stylesheets to make some pages readable with JavaScript disabled).

    Not counting my bookmarks on what used to be called the personal bar, I use about forty toolbar buttons (and used to have more, when I had more time to spend looking up how to repair or replace custom buttons rendered useless by upgrades), so I'd like to be able to keep using a custom skin to shrink as many things as possible, because my usual machine now is a laptop with a touchpad and a 1366x768 screen resolution.

    Running Opera version 12.16 under a 12-pixel title bar, I can have the status and address fields and all of my buttons and most-used bookmarks on the screen at once and still have enough room left for the viewport most of the time, because I can keep the tab bar on the left, store the whole menu bar in a button, and toggle the panels open or closed with one click whenever the need arises. And if I change my mind and decide the viewport isn't tall enough after all, I can still make more room on the screen by setting up more panels and keyboard shortcuts to replace some buttons I would have to hide.

    So that access to put what I need at my own fingertips is probably what I'd miss most (assuming that ad blockers won't be made a lot harder to use). Taking away that much of my control over the window's layout would definitely be enough to repel me from Opera, especially after fifteen years of preferring it because of its relative flexibility. I'd be better off with a browser that lets me modify its source code just to get back those choices.



  • The most important feature (I see it rather as a must-have) is keyboard accessibility. I have written my first blog post here about that.

    This isn’t just something I can replace or “get used to miss”.



  • The main things I want from the new Opera are:

    • Left-click on tab focuses previous tab. My #1 desire.

    • Closing tab focuses previous tab.

    • Open tabs at end of tab bar instead of next to active.

    • Double-left-click and middle-click on tab bar to open new tab.

    • Remove X button on tab.

    • "Right-click on link -> open" option for overriding @target.

    • "Right-click on tab -> close all" (as in, close all other tabs and blank out the last with speed dial with address field focused)

    • "Down -> up gesture on page" to clone tab.

    • "Down -> up" gesture on link to open link in background.

    • Closed tabs list icon (with blocked pop-ups list in it too).

    • Down arrow for address field.

    • Bookmarks menu (in O Menu, but also button for address bar).

    • Button that can go on address bar to toggle bookmarks bar. (like old Opera with the view bar and the toggle button for it)

    Without those things to make Opera different (and better), there's no incentive for me to switch from Chrome. (FVD Speed Dial is a good enough replacement for Speed Dial)

    There is the "Classic Tabs" extension that solves a few of these. I'm not really happy about having to use an extension for them, but it's not too bad. The bad part is that there's no extension API to listen to clicks on the tab buttons in the tab bar, which means that an extension can't implement left-click on tab to focus previous.

    • h.264 and mp3 support.

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