[Feature Request] Tabs Below Url Bar



  • I think that out of all the requests I've seen made on here, this one would be among the easiest to implement, and one that's surprisingly hasn't already been done officially to enhance user experience. [url=https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/746-vivaldi-feature-request?start=1120#33707]I've made this request before[/url], one that likely got lost among many other requests in the mega thread that we have on this. After posting that, I was shortly thereafter directed by other users [url=https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/3073-vivaldi-ui-customisations?start=160#33850]to the thread we have on css customization[/url], and while this was a great short term fix, [url=https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/3073-vivaldi-ui-customisations?start=260#45960]it's one I am still carrying over from 6 months ago[/url]. I think that if Vivaldi already has options to have tabs on top of the browser, on the bottom of the browser, or on the sides of the browser, we can have it below the url bar as well. It's also annoying to have this css edit because the tabs shift up/down going in/out of maximized mode.



  • I'd really appreciate this feature too. The ability to set a minimum tab width so the titles are always readable and scroll through many tabs like firefox has would be nice as well.



  • want to add support to this. This has been a staple of my preferred browsing experience since the beginning of browser tabs.



  • This is an absolute must for me. I've installed Vivaldi, but until this is available, I'll have to go back to Firefox, which I really DO NOT want to do. I'll play with the css link suggested, but I shouldn't have to do that. People have been asking for this in Chrome for years. Please fix this quickly.



  • Not really a fix so much as a feature request.

    See https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/features-requests/14980-feature-requests-for-1-5
    Item #11



  • See item number 11 in the Feature Requests thread.

    Everyone needs to understand that there are thousands of feature requests. Not one of them is vital. Most are easy to work around or find extensions to implement. The developers have their own priorities, and the items listed in bold in my post currently have top priority.

    Others will get added when they reach the top of the pile based on how easy they are to add, and the perceived importance.



  • Is there an article about using CSS to do this until it gets fixed in Vivaldi? I'll gladly do that if someone can please refer me to the article I can't find it again.

    I'm sorry, but it's absurd that this hasn't been implemented yet considering that people have been demanding it for YEARS of Chrome and they've been getting blown off.



  • @klgrube:

    Is there an article about using CSS to do this until it gets fixed in Vivaldi? I'll gladly do that if someone can please refer me to the article I can't find it again.

    See the link in the first post.

    @klgrube:

    I'm sorry, but it's absurd that this hasn't been implemented yet considering that people have been demanding it for YEARS of Chrome and they've been getting blown off.

    I'm sorry, but it's absurd that people keep demanding to have their pet feature request implemented in front of thousands of other feature requests that others are waiting for since the very beginning, like built-in email or sync.

    I understand that everyone has different workflows and different priorities. Do you understand that the developers will prioritise feature requests and implement them whenever they reach the top of the pile of things to be done, whether that's next week, next month, next year, or never?

    See item number 11 in the Feature Requests thread.

    Apparently, it's not a priority yet. However, without knowing the developers' plans it's impossible to know how easy a feature is to implement. They might, for instance, want to implement item 11 as a whole, which would clearly be a major undertaking.

    I have considerable experience with customising Opera 12.17 toolbars and interface. That offers extensive options for toolbar placement and placement of buttons on different toolbars. I suspect that to do that with CSS might take a lot of work. The linked thread will give you a few clues of what might be involved.



  • Well, THOUSANDS of people have been demanding this feature for years of developers in Chrome and now here in Vivaldi. If they can shove the address bar to the bottom of the screen, they can certainly re-order the toolbars at the top.

    Anyway, I found common.css. It's practically unreadable, but I'll try to work with it.

    Karen



  • So, I inserted the code snippet they have on the link into Common.css. Well, it worked sort of. It did put the tabs at the bottom, but it screwed up the other toolbars. The menu bar displayed with white text and a number of other items that made it even more difficult to use Vivaldi.

    Do you or does anyone know of an extension that will just move the tabs bar right above the content area (below any other toolbars)?



  • @klgrube said in [Feature Request] Tabs Below Url Bar:

    I'm sorry, but it's absurd that this hasn't been implemented yet considering that people have been demanding it for YEARS of Chrome and they've been getting blown off.

    This. It's unbelievable really, seeing as it can't possibly be a very complicated feature to do.

    All I want is to have:
    ADDRESS BAR
    BOOKMARKS BAR
    TABS BAR

    This would not change the total height of anything etc, no need to re-think the UI or anything, so it would require very, very minimal effort. I'm almost starting to think that there's some weird reason why they just keep refusing to implement this adjustment (that has indeed been requested for years).


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    @jslind
    I don't know.

    Judging not a single one other Chromium forks like Opera, Yandex, Cent Browser, Slimjet, UC Browser, Sleipnir, Epic Privacy Browser,SlimBrowser, Torch, RockMelt, SRWare Iron, CoolNovo, Comodo Dragon, etc. tweak
    Chromium codes (which happen open source) to implement it, then that's not that easy without breaking something.

    Vivaldi like Opera does change the UI, these are some consequences we got from it;

    • Breaking a lot of extensions
    • Visual glitch.
    • Flash not go full screen on Linux.
    • Flash buggy in Windows/Mac.
    • UI not play well in Linux Tiling/Stacking WM.
    • Eat too much resources with half many tabs than Chrome.
    • You want me to go on?

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    @jslind said in [Feature Request] Tabs Below Url Bar:

    I'm almost starting to think that there's some weird reason why they just keep refusing to implement this adjustment (that has indeed been requested for years).

    Except no one is refusing to implement such feature HERE. You can post your request for such feature in the Feature Requests thread. You can also take a look at requests made by other people and vote for them if you'd like to see those features in future releases of Vivaldi. Although, there are more customization options coming to Vivaldi, so you can expect more in the future.

    But keep in mind that Vivaldi developers are a considerably small team (compared to other companies behind other browsers) and they have plenty of work to do, like fixing bugs, keeping up with Chromium updates, working on new features, maintaining their web services etc. And they also need to sleep from time to time! 😉

    This means that they have to make priorities. Things that affect a lot of users (or easy to implement features) are usually addressed first. Things that are hard to implement/fix or affect a small percentage of users would probably have to wait...

    So, you might download a new version of Vivaldi and find out that none of the features or bug fixes that you requested has been added. But don't lose your hope! It may take some time, but they promise to listen to our voices and to give us every feature that we want*.

    But until you get your features, you can keep checking back here once in a while, and post your requests again when a new version of the browser rolls out and a new feature requests thread starts. You can also tell your friends about this browser if you like it so far. The faster its user base grows, the faster it'll develop. 👍

    * Here are a few quotes from various interviews with the Vivaldi's CEO, Jon von Tetzchner:

    IBTimes: Vivaldi founder Jon von Tetzchner on why Vivaldi is your next browser

    We believe that people are different and they have different preferences. We put in features because people want them to be there. We don't need all the users to ask for something for us to add it in. If one user asks for it and it is something reasonable to do, then we will put it in. That's the basic rule.
    We get a lot of requests, but we cannot do them all at once. But we believe every user should be respected and if there is a requirement we do it. (...)
    We listen to the feedback that we get. We change the browser based on the requirement of the user. Our motto is "when in doubt, make it an option."

    WebdesignerDepot: The big interview: Jon von Tetzchner talks Vivaldi

    (...) we see every user as being different, and we see their requirements, and their requirements differ. It’s our job to adapt to your requirements, so whatever your requirements are. (...)
    We’re not a single-feature browser. Our approach is singular. It’s really about every single user and acknowledging that we’re all different. We all have different requirements, and they’re all equally valuable.

    Mint: Jon von Tetzchner: Every user is different; everyone has a right to be heard

    We believe that we are all different, and we have different requirements and adapting to those requirements is what we should do in software. We all have the same rights to be heard, and our decision-making is based on feedback. We don’t monitor people’s computer, but rather they tell us what they want. (...)
    The principle being we are building a browser for our friends, we’ll listen to people, we’ll add whatever they ask us to do, and then we innovate.



  • @dLeon said in [Feature Request] Tabs Below Url Bar:

    @jslind
    I don't know.

    Judging not a single one other Chromium forks like Opera, Yandex, Cent Browser, Slimjet, UC Browser, Sleipnir, Epic Privacy Browser,SlimBrowser, Torch, RockMelt, SRWare Iron, CoolNovo, Comodo Dragon, etc. tweak
    Chromium codes (which happen open source) to implement it, then that's not that easy without breaking something.

    Vivaldi like Opera does change the UI, these are some consequences we got from it;

    • Breaking a lot of extensions
    • Visual glitch.
    • Flash not go full screen on Linux.
    • Flash buggy in Windows/Mac.
    • UI not play well in Linux Tiling/Stacking WM.
    • Eat too much resources with half many tabs than Chrome.
    • You want me to go on?

    You can go on, but basically you are just pulling stuff out of your hat here unless you give a logical explanation as to why would moving tabs below the address bar cause any of those things? I mean there are already four different places you can move them to, with no problems.


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    @jslind
    What I mean is.

    Those are some known annoying things not even being maintain yet. And some are even old timers.
    Adding new codes could raise bugs. I don't want to see new one yet.
    Putting new codes probably easy, maintaining it is not so.

    Almost anyone in Feature Request want their request to be priority. Me included.
    But angry because they not implemented as soon as possible or probably won't, is a no go.

    I'm just ordinary user. I don't know what will come or go. The only thing I could do or give is understanding & patient.



  • Since this is the top thread on Google for this feature, I figured I'd quickly post my own CSS hack for those who may not want to (or can't) do it themselves.
    Vivaldi is a lovely little browser, and I'd hate to see people turning away because they couldn't get the UI how they like it.

    So... Here:
    http://r.vorix.net/pub/VivaldiTabsBelow.7z
    (There's a readme on how to use it inside the archive.)
    It doesn't suffer from the tabs shifting when the window is maximised, as the OP mentioned. It also supports tab collapsing.

    Please bear in mind that this is my own personal modification and I have no idea how well it will work for others, but for me it looks like this:
    http://r.vorix.net/pub/viv.png

    Also, +1 for this becoming an official feature. Tabs below the address bar is make or break for me.



  • pierow said in [Feature Request] Tabs Below Url Bar:

    I'd really appreciate this feature too. The ability to set a minimum tab width so the titles are always readable and scroll through many tabs like firefox has would be nice as well.

    Being able to see the full title text of the tabs you have open is essential for being able to tell which tab is which. I find that opening numerous tabs instead ends up concealing the entire title and showing only the useless favicon / close button.

    However, if you configure your tab bar to be on the left or right, you can see a lot more of your tabs' title text. And if you open the Window menu, you can see it all. In fact, I only use the Window menu and have the tab bar disabled entirely, the Window menu is that good. So far it's the one area in which Vivaldi is streets ahead of Pale Moon for me.


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