No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.

Eggcorn

"FLoC does have very serious implications for people who live in an environment where aspects of their personality are persecuted — be it sexuality, political viewpoint, or religion. All can become a part of your FLoC ID."

Yikes! I guess all I have to add to that is: "It can't happen here" are the words of a fool! So don't think this doesn't endanger you, just because you live in the West or something.

mossman

@Catweazle said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:

I think that in general the ads are overvalued, I don't believe in their efficiency, given the over-saturation that we experience every day, not only on the Internet, but in daily life, in every corner there are posters and illuminated advertisements, in Newspapers, television, radio ..., no one notices them and they do nothing but annoy.
If a product is good, people will use it, if not, the ads also do not serve to confirm something else.
People, if they need something, go to the store, to the car dealership, to online stores, they look for what they need and buy it if it corresponds to their needs, there is no more.

My whole life, I have questioned the effectiveness of advertising...

To the point where I am conscious of the rare times I see an advert and realise it has actually informed me of some product I wasn't previously aware of. That really doesn't happen very often.

The received-wisdom that every company must do it and that it's essential to the consumer society doesn't seem to match up with the amount of wasted time, money and effort (and annoyance) it sucks up.

Eggcorn

@mossman I suspect ads are targeting the whales (see definitions #5 and #7), not the common man. In other words: That ads are going after the people who impulsively spend lots of money.

mossman

@Eggcorn said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:

@mossman I suspect ads are targeting the whales (see definitions #5 and #7), not the common man. In other words: That ads are going after the people who impulsively spend lots of money.

Maybe for online purchases, but I don't see how that applies for the average TV ad for cleaning products etc.

NatureDictates

Humans could now be defined as sheep. I for one have no desire to be in a FLoC about to be fleeced.
Money the root/route of all evil.
Viva VIVALDI.

mossman

@guigirl said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:

@mossman said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:

TV ad

What's that?

Fair enough...

cleaning products

What's that?

Ewww!

vgosnak

Thanks, Vivaldi team!

redvalleyscott

It is exactly for stances like these that I am a Vivladi user and will likely remain so going into the future. Thanks you for your efforts.

albesari

In Viv We Trust!

stardepp

Also WordPress will block Google FloC just like DuckDuckGo and Brave:

https://stadt-bremerhaven.de/google-floc-wird-von-wordpress-blockiert/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+stadt-bremerhaven/dqXM+(Caschys+Blog)

LorenAmelang

@guigirl Same in Windows:

Directory of C:\Users\loren\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\User Data\Floc\1.0.5
03/18/2021 12:48 PM <DIR> .
03/18/2021 12:48 PM <DIR> ..
03/18/2021 12:48 PM 66 manifest.fingerprint
03/18/2021 09:23 AM 122 manifest.json
03/18/2021 09:23 AM 182,872 SortingLshClusters
03/18/2021 12:48 PM <DIR> _metadata
3 File(s) 183,060 bytes

SortingLshClusters is rather opaque...

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(Lots more of that...)

Mine is over 5 times as big as yours, and 12 days older... Does it grow with time?

Looks like it was modified before it was created, and hasn't been changed since:

Hard to guess what it might mean...

Checked my Arch - has the Floc dir, but it is empty.
drwx------ 2 loren loren 4096 Oct 10 2020 Floc

Still on Viv 3.6.2165.40, I need to update... But it is working fine.

Thot

Gurgel developers and employees must take FLoC alone to spy on themselves, if they have such an urge to spy on people! :-p

Catweazle

@LorenAmelang , same

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Zalex108

@Catweazle said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:

@LorenAmelang , same

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Catweazle

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jamesbeardmore

@guigirl said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:

I loved this:

We believe in a future where the web can provide people with privacy, transparency and control while also supporting responsible business models to create a vibrant, open and diverse ecosystem. Like Google, we support solutions that give users clear consent, and do not bypass consumer choice

Hahaha, onya microsoft, you've still got your legendary comedic touch!

Haha I was about to say the same thing! Newspeak at its finest! I find it somewhat amusing that they dare even say this, given that Goggle and Microshaft are possibly the very worst offenders of all time regarding dark patterns, no meaningful consent, and bypassing consumer choice (although arguably Amazon and Facecrook are also pretty bad in this regard).

jamesbeardmore

@guigirl My work computer (Linux Mint Debian Edition) has the same files with exact same filesizes present. The date is slightly different but probably just relates to whenever I updated V. The _metadata/ dir contains a single json file that's 1.8k in length. All last accessed April 11th. I suspect the Floc processing files get created ready to be used, but if the code's disabled, they never get updated. Otherwise we'd surely not see exactly the same file lengths on two different systems with different usage patterns.

Haven't checked my personal (Gentoo and Devuan) boxes yet. I might see if I can find a Losedows computer to look at, to see if that has a Floc dir too.

mtrantalainen

How about supporting FLoC API but always using hardcoded FLoC group "69" or "31337"? That way servers wouldn't block Vivaldi for missing FLoC support but in worst case all Vivaldi users were considered a single identity.

FLoC API provides no way for the 3rd party servers to know if the FLoC group id is real or not.

Another nice option would be to use seconds since UNIX epoch as the FLoC id. All Vivaldi users would use one global id which is changed every second. Good luck trying to recover any data out of that from the 3rd party server log.

GearDoc47

@Catweazle said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:

"I think that in general the ads are overvalued, "

Don't let the advertisers hear that!!!
Where else will the ad agency's be able to make a living???

Catweazle

@GearDoc47 ,with a decent job, perhaps?