What's with People not Capitalizing the First Letter of a Sentence?
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Oh, come on, you're not gonna tell me?
You're perfect in Japanese, Chinese, and Arabic, right?
I don't know Arabic, but you're perfect in Japanese, Chinese, and Arabic, right?
自分でできないことで人をおとしめるのは人間として最低だぜ。 -
@shifte What are you talking about?
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@potmeklecbohdan said in What's with People not Capitalizing the First Letter of a Sentence?:
Yeah, it can make text harder to read.
What can make text harder to read?
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@eggcorn Too many capital letters (look at which post I replied to – oh wait, that parent post link isn’t visible on mobile).
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Sorry Eggcorn, you're not bad at all.
Moderator, I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you.
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@potmeklecbohdan Well, Title Case is only supposed to be used in titles. A whole paragraph in Title Case: that would be a pain to read!
And I did see the post you replied too. But I was still confused, I didn't know if you were replying to the correct post.
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I was just reading the forum rules, and they say this:
Some are native English speakers, some are native speakers of other languages.
That's another reason I don't like folks not using capitalization. I'm a native English speaker, and even I find nocaps a pain to read! If I weren't a native English speaker, I'd have a much harder time with it.
As @tbgbe and I were saying before, people sometimes do much worse than just not capitalize the first letter of a sentence. That's not kind to non-native (or native) English speakers.
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@eggcorn said in What's with People not Capitalizing the First Letter of a Sentence?:
I was just reading the forum rules, and they say this:
Well, some languages don't use capitalization at all. For those people it might be easier to write (and possibly also read) sentences in all lower-case. Just like how some languages have completely different word orders, or conjugation rules, so for speakers of those languages "broken English" might be the easiest to work with.
Different languages have different rules. Expecting everyone to write perfect English is nothing but ignorant. And so is expecting everyone to find perfect English easier to read than grammatically or syntactically imperfect English.
After all, studies have found that a group of non-native speakers from vastly different countries find it easier to understand each other's English than the English of a native speaker.
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@komposten r u telling me that this is easier for non-native speakers to understand this then normal english would it really be better to write like this for ppl who are still learning english would u be able to make out anything i was saying if i kept this up for much longer
I hope you see my point: Texting-talk was never designed to make things easier, for a reader who's still learning English!
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Use this code to view capital first letter (and have peace of mind):
a:first-of-type:first-letter, h2.title:first-of-type:first-letter {text-transform: uppercase!important;}
Without code:
With code:
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I was looking tough the forums, and I found this:
@blackbird said in WTF? Vivaldi Has No Touch Screen Support?:
Whatever one chooses to call your terminology (I believe the better term for it is obscene, rather than cursing), it has no place in technical forums such as this - abbreviated or not. There are many alternative adjectives and forms of expression conveying strong opinion that don't cross into the realm of offensive language… and obscenity remains offensive to many many people, regardless of how many other folks may employ it in slang-laced postings. The irony is that such terminology can only reflect negatively upon the person using the expressions, and that seems highly counterproductive to the purpose of posting a reasoned technical/user complaint about a browser issue.
I think that sums up a big part of my problem with texting-talk and nocaps. That post is referring to obscenity, but it's much the same for texting-talk.
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@eggcorn said in What's with People not Capitalizing the First Letter of a Sentence?:
I've noticed that a few people on this forum, especially new users asking for help with some problem with Vivaldi, don't capitalize the first letter of a sentence? What's up with that?
actually it's the internet and has always been up to the person posting. it's actually bad form to call it out or for that matter call people out on spelling or grammar.
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@drbonesaw Eh. Lots of things have ALWAYS BEEN UP TO THE PERSION POSTING!!!. Would you say that it's bad form to call people out for talking like this (allcaps and excessive punctuation)??? Or to call people out for using profanity???
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@eggcorn To be fair, allcaps and profanity are barred here by community rules. Ignorance or disregard of grammatic rules and spelling are not. And those who are ignorant of grammatic rules and spelling will consider you a jerk for correcting their "style."
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@ayespy It's not about the rules. It's about not looking childish. Like it or not, it's not just what you say that matters. It's the way you say it.
For example, you could have a valid criticism of Vivaldi. You could point out ways Vivaldi needs to improve. But if you say "Vivaldi is gay", you look childish. If you can't be bothered to capitalize the first letter of a sentence, you look childish. Etc.
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@eggcorn For me, in this chair, it is absolutely about the rules.
I'll provide guardrails for the rules. But the world is awash in nearly-illiterate English, and I harbor no illusions about my individual power to change that, nor the degree to which no-first-language speakers and writers consider themselves informed, smart and, truth told, probably better than me. So I only tend to police spelling and grammar with people whom I'm pretty sure would rather do it right, and appreciate the tip.
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I mentioned no-first-language speakers and writers. These are people who literally have never mastered any language, including that of their home land. I'm surrounded by them. They have no clue how this handicaps their lives in general. But I'm reminded of a very good attorney I worked with for several years. He was nearly albino, a California Methodist and American to his core, but he had studied Spanish in high school and college, and then studied abroad in Spain and Argentina. Truly bilingually fluent. He married a woman from Mexico City. Because of his language skills, he had a very large number of clients from Cuba, Mexico, Central America and South America. He was fluent with all of them. He mentioned to me wryly one day how many of his clients were bi-illiterate - that is, illiterate in both Spanish and English - unable to express themselves in writing in either language. Kind of sad - to never profit from the fruits of your own home tongue.
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@ayespy Texting-talk does have rules. So folks who speak it can't be illiterate, per se. But they could be literate in texting-talk, and illiterate normal English.
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@eggcorn said in What's with People not Capitalizing the First Letter of a Sentence?:
So folks who speak it can't be illiterate, per sy.
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@eggcorn Text-ese is a form of Pidgin, not English, and I don't speak it. So I'm unconcerned with its rules. And since we are not texting on the forums, but rather writing in hopefully complete and coherent sentences in actual English, my learned skills should suffice for most purposes.