First impressions



  • Thanks for creating a wonderful new browser, even if it does run on Chrome. First impressions: * toolbar colour defaults to a red toolbar. Only a few days later I found that it changes based on webpage content and found out how to disable this silly feature. Please don't make it a default any longer; I think it confuses new users and is jarringly ugly in red, creating a bad first impression. I don't think there's anyone that wants the toolbar to match the website's main colours. The toolbar should be stable and consistent and not changing unless we want to change it (in my opinion). Having it change while the user is just getting used to the browser is not a good decision. * Is there a way to make a new tab appear next to your current tab you had open? * it doesn't seem there is an option for the password manager to never ask for passwords, but I assume you know this * the Notes feature wastes too much space by showing the date and URL fields. It was done far better in Opera, from my first impressions Killing the Opera community was the worst thing that Opera did, and I'm glad I am not the only one that thinks this. I always wondered why they did that. Overall, I still get the 'feel' of Opera in this browser, which only Opera gave in the past. Thank you. I will be watching with interest.


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    @acqii:

    Thanks for creating a wonderful new browser, even if it does run on Chrome.

    First impressions:

    • toolbar colour defaults to a red toolbar. Only a few days later I found that it changes based on webpage content and found out how to disable this silly feature. Please don't make it a default any longer; I think it confuses new users and is jarringly ugly in red, creating a bad first impression. I don't think there's anyone that wants the toolbar to match the website's main colours. The toolbar should be stable and consistent and not changing unless we want to change it (in my opinion). Having it change while the user is just getting used to the browser is not a good decision.
    • Is there a way to make a new tab appear next to your current tab you had open?
    • it doesn't seem there is an option for the password manager to never ask for passwords, but I assume you know this
    • the Notes feature wastes too much space by showing the date and URL fields. It was done far better in Opera, from my first impressions

    Killing the Opera community was the worst thing that Opera did, and I'm glad I am not the only one that thinks this. I always wondered why they did that. Overall, I still get the 'feel' of Opera in this browser, which only Opera gave in the past. Thank you. I will be watching with interest.

    You can set the new tab position at Menu/Tools/Settings/Tabs/New Tab Position. CAUTION: This makes ALL new tabs, irrespective of mode of creation, to be created adjacent to active tab.

    It's not in the Vivaldi interface yet (it for sure will be) but you can turn off the password manager for now at Chrome/settings/search#pass

    Happy browsing!



  • @acqii:

    I don't think there's anyone that wants the toolbar to match the website's main colours.

    Your opinion is valid & legitimate… for you. We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not however entitled to autocratically / arrogantly / ignorantly attempt to speak on behalf of ALL users. Please share the valuable statistically-significant peer-reviewed research data you have studiously accumulated that allows you to imperiously make that bold statement. I'm sure you must have such data, as only a pompous self-important egotist would utter such statements in its absence; surely you would not be that way inclined, would you? When speaking on one's own behalf, data might be optional, but to attempt to speak on behalf of all other users without credible supporting data, is ill-advised [as you can very easily be proven wrong] & indeed rude [it devalues others whose opinion might differ from yours]. Those of us here rather longer than you, were all also new V users, once. For myself, after delightedly discovering V in its very early days [with its strong allure of becoming Opera Presto reprised & improved], i was thrilled with the innovative colour-shifting page theme [amongst many other features]. I've avidly read the V fora since said early days, & simply can't recall barrages of miserable new users bemoaning & berating the dreadful awful utterly confusing terminally silly variable-colourisation motif. Statistically, probabilistically, there must be other users who share your preference… but ALL V users? Really? Unless that subset of global V users who are members on this site, & who choose to post here, have a very skewed non-uniform distribution, then it would seem statistically implausible that your opinion alone constitutes proof of your claim.



  • @Steffie:

    @acqii:

    I don't think there's anyone that wants the toolbar to match the website's main colours.

    Your opinion is valid & legitimate… for you. We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not however entitled to autocratically / arrogantly / ignorantly attempt to speak on behalf of ALL users.
    Wow, my topic triggered this? The bit where I said, "I don't think there's anyone that wants the toolbar to match the website's main colours"? My personal thought is that this feature is very low on the demands scale. which is why I said "I don't think.. "

    Please share the valuable statistically-significant peer-reviewed research data you have studiously accumulated that allows you to imperiously make that bold statement.
    I am only allowed to make statements when backed up with research data that is peer-reviewed? I think whenever anybody is getting used to a new interface (such as trying a new browser) it is jarring to have it change colour and not only do that but 'start off' with a showy colour from the get-go. It seems a forced feature done for the sake of being 'different' rather than practicality. I think a lot of this can be filed under common sense. Forgive me, this is not peer-reviewed; don't have the money or time for that. These are just the lowly first impressions from a new Vivaldi user getting his thoughts down.
    **
    I'm sure you must have such data, as only a pompous self-important egotist would utter such statements in its absence; surely you would not be that way inclined, would you?**
    Actually I have been known to be pompous and an egotist in certain areas. I cross the line all the time, especially when giving my thoughts on a new browser that I'm passionate about. I don't wait for peer-reviewed studies and have the tenacity to freely speak my mind based ONLY on my experiences with the browser.

    When speaking on one's own behalf, data might be optional, but to attempt to speak on behalf of all other users without credible supporting data, is ill-advised [as you can very easily be proven wrong] & indeed rude [it devalues others whose opinion might differ from yours].
    Just backtracking again, all this was triggered by my statement:
    "I don't think there's anyone that wants the toolbar to match the website's main colours"?

    Those of us here rather longer than you, were all also new V users, once. For myself, after delightedly discovering V in its very early days [with its strong allure of becoming Opera Presto reprised & improved], i was thrilled with the innovative colour-shifting page theme [amongst many other features]. I've avidly read the V fora since said early days, & simply can't recall barrages of miserable new users bemoaning & berating the dreadful awful utterly confusing terminally silly variable-colourisation motif.
    I hope you find some space in your heart to forgive me for my errant ways.

    Statistically, probabilistically, there must be other users who share your preference… but ALL V users? Really?
    I say what others are feeling. I bet the majority of users feel exactly this way. I think they do. They turned the feature off, I bet.

    Unless that subset of global V users who are members on this site, & who choose to post here, have a very skewed non-uniform distribution, then it would seem statistically implausible that your opinion alone constitutes proof of your claim.
    I am proud of my "First Impressions" post & see nothing wrong in the way it was written. Happy New Year to you!



  • @Ayespy:

    You can set the new tab position at Menu/Tools/Settings/Tabs/New Tab Position. CAUTION: This makes ALL new tabs, irrespective of mode of creation, to be created adjacent to active tab.

    Thanks for your help.
    I don't see this setting in my browser, though. Image attached.
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  • @acqii:


    I don't see this setting in my browser, though. ...

    Which version do you use? Here on Windows 8.1 with Vivaldi 1.0.357.5 (Beta) (32-bit) it looks like this:

    [attachment=2366]TabSett.PNG[/attachment]
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  • @RJules3:

    Which version do you use? Here on Windows 8.1 with Vivaldi 1.0.357.5 (Beta) (32-bit) it looks like this:

    The "new tab position" was introduced in Snapshot 1.0.352.3
    I would guess that acqii is using the Beta 2 !? This would NOT auto-update to later snapshots.
    Snapshots can be downloaded from https://vivaldi.net



  • @TbGbe:


    The "new tab position" was introduced in Snapshot 1.0.352.3
    I would guess that acqii is using the Beta 2 !? This would NOT auto-update to later snapshots.
    Snapshots can be downloaded from https://vivaldi.net

    Agreed. For those new users not yet familiar with Vivaldi and its development structure, the default-update "channel" separation of Beta versions from Snapshot versions can cause a lot of confusion. Beta versions update only to new Beta versions; Snapshot versions update only to new Snapshot versions. Beta versions are deemed more stable than the more-frequently-released Snapshot versions, so their updating is kept separate for those users requiring version assurance of greater stability. Eventually, fully stable release versions will probably come to occupy yet another separate channel too, with their updating separate from the Beta and Snapshot channels.

    Of course, any version-channel's direct download can be installed over top of any other version-channel's version if the user specifies an existing Vivaldi folder during the install process; this will preserve the user's prior personal data and settings. Thereafter, that new version will update itself solely within the manner of its own version-channel. This is one way users can stay abreast of the very latest Vivaldi version, regardless of its channel or stability. Of course, if a still-newer Vivaldi version is eventually placed within a different channel, the user will have to repeat this process.

    Another method is to simply have separate installs of Vivaldi on a system, each representing a different version channel and each separately updateable within that channel. My own experience has been that this approach is best accomplished using stand-alone installations, and probably makes the most sense for users wishing to participate in development feedback and who are willing to exert the manual effort to keep their different versions configured usefully to suit their needs.



  • Not that it counts for much, but I really like the "change to match website colour" behaviour. I'm indifferent to whether this behaviour remains the default or not, but do keep in mind that Vivaldi is being pitched at so-called "power users". Sane defaults are, of course, always important, but it is not unreasonable to expect power users to modify/disable features and behaviours in accordance with their preferences.

    Also, Vivaldi does not "run on Chrome". Vivaldi uses the Blink layout engine, which is not the same thing as Google's Chrome browser. And when it comes to the interface, Vivaldi is built using React, Node.js, Javascript, and NPM modules. So while they share a layout engine, the two browsers are quite distinct in terms of both technologies and features.

    As for turning off the save password prompt, you have to go digging around in the internals at the moment, as the option has not yet been exposed to Vivaldi's own options dialogue:

    You can do this by navigating to: vivaldi://settings/search#pass

    And then toggling off the"Offer to save your web passwords" entry.


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    Yeah. The actual address is chrome://settings/search#pass

    When you input that into the address bar and press "enter" the browser changes "chrome" to "vivaldi" but don't be fooled. Only "chrome" will take you to the internal page. :cheer:


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