which browser has better privacy? vivaldi or brave?...
yes this is my question.
i've another too.
i also want to ask which browser is most similar to firefox when it comes to different aspects of the software?
i'm really got used to firefox but really want to leave them after their announcement.
EDIT: someone corrected me in the comments about Mr Eich, the co-Founder of Brave and Mozilla. Based on research I did after that comment, it's very clear that Mr Eich does NOT share Mozilla values so I'd say based on that that the Brave browser looks to be a potentially good choice, along with Vivaldi.
I cannot speak on the security per se as I'm not a security expert, but 95% of Vivaldi is open source. Only the UI is closed source. It also has built in Tracking protection if you enable it along with ad blocking.
To me the fact that it's 95% open source in all the important parts means it's probably as good as it gets on security.
I've not used Brave but I find them highly suspicious. Don't forget that the co-founder of Brave is also the owner of Mozilla.....So same values as Mozilla. I'm sticking with Vivaldi. It's the best out there
Dancer18 last edited by
I left firefox bc of their policy too.
And now I'm glad to have found Vivaldi again. 2 years ago I gave it a first try, and now I made it standard browser!
@NOTYOURBUBBLE I'd be interested to digest the reasoning underpinning your implication that "Brave" & "Privacy" belong in the same sentence.
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Asking this on a vivaldi forum will invoke an overwhelming vivaldi majority..that is to expected.
I can only assume the majority of people on this forum have only used vivaldi as that would explain their presence here.
I do believe a neutral forum would be the best place to ask such a question.All relative to personal choice and both run on the chromium base.
@NOTYOURBUBBLE Do you use browser extensions? If so, Vivaldi's probably more private. Because with Vivaldi's advanced features and customizability, you won't need so many extensions. And extensions are a threat to privacy! They have this nasty habit of spying on the user.
But if you don't use browser extensions, I'm guessing that Brave is more private. I'm guessing that Brave's ad-blocker is more devolved then Vivaldi's, and I know that Brave can use the Tor network. But also, Brave's big focus is privacy. It's what they're all about. Whereas the Vivaldi team is trying to build a feature-rich and highly-customizable browser. That does include privacy features. But I don't think Vivaldi's all about privacy, the way Brave is.
It took Vivaldi a long time to come out with an ad-blocker, and that's an essential feature if you want to protect your privacy (but to be fair, there were plenty of ad-blocking extensions). Whereas Brave had an ad-blocker (I think) from the first version.
@Eggcorn Rather than mentioning privacy credentials self-referred by actual Brave staff, &/or
guessing, pls can you post links or otherwise explain in your own words an objective basis for this allegation that Brave is genuinely ok for user privacy? I see mucho commentary online by people who only respin the official Brave spiel. I don't see much truly independent objective analysis that unambiguously confirms Brave's own PR. Otoh in numerous Linux fora [yes i know, this is a V forum, not Linux, but i'm giving context] Brave is frequently pilloried & mocked.
@guigirl I can't even do that for Vivaldi! Who do you think I am, an expert software analyst?
But frankly, I suspect that the pilloriing & mocking is politically motivated. The founder of Brave (back when he was working for Firefox) make a political donation, that earned him a lot of enemies in the computer world.
Don't forget that the co-founder of Brave is also the owner of Mozilla.....So same values as Mozilla.
He was fired from Mozilla, or at least, resigned under pressure. So no, his values are not the same as theirs!
Who do you think I am
I think you are someone who weighed in with an opinion joining others of the view that Brave is genuinely user-centric for user-privacy, which thus prompts my curiosity to see objective evidence to support this. I see various others also make similar subjective assertions. You might all be correct... but it would be very nice to see evidence rather than hearsay. Hence, many times when i read allusions like this, my reflexive analytical bent is to ask to see the evidence.
suspect that the pilloriing & mocking is politically motivated
Another subjective assertion, whose evidence i equally would be appreciative to read.
@guigirl Well, I'm trusting that Brave and Vivaldi are being honest. They they don't have some backdoor spying, that they've neglected to tell us about. But can I prove that they're being honest, even to myself? No I can't. I'm not a programmer, I can't look over the code for spyware. For all I know, Vivaldi could be spying on my right now as I type this post, and sending my bookmarks to some server in America.
So, I admit I can't prove that either browser is genuinely OK for user privacy. Beyond that, I'm really not clear on what it is you want from me. So, how about you give your objective evidence that Vivaldi is genuinely OK for user privacy first?
@Eggcorn What sort of evidence would you understand and accept? After all, we have no access to the web connections and queries on your machine, so how would those from my machine inform you? Would you understand them?
As a rule, it is incumbent upon the person claiming a defect, loss or harm that they prove their case - in other words, to show us how and where this or that browser is breaching your privacy. Other than that, all Vivaldi can say is, "we don't do it."
"Well, I think maybe you do."
"OK. Where is your evidence that this might be the case? If you have what you feel may be a suspicious connection, Vivaldi will be happy explain what it is, and what it's doing."
What sort of evidence would you understand and accept?
That's what I'm asking guigirl! I think you're missing the context of the conversation here. To be clear: I'm not accusing the Vivadi team of anything, or asking them to prove anything to me.
Edit: guigirl asked me for evidence that Brave is "genuinely OK for user privacy". I don't know what evidence she would accept. So, I'm asking her to give me her evidence for Vivaldi.
@Eggcorn Ok their for the correction. I've done some quick research based on your reply and you're right, he seems to finely not share Mozilla values.
So that's great. In which case Brave is definitely a good option, seemingly.
However I'll stick with Vivaldi since I'm really happy with it and the team do a great job.
@Eggcorn It is inapposite to request evidence of a nullity. You can't prove what isn't. You can only prove what is. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The appropriate investigation would be of connections or data transmission which might VIOLATE privacy, not those which don't.
As a cop, you can't stop someone one the street and ask, "Did your spouse commit a crime?"
"I'm not aware of any evidence that he/she did."
It doesn't work that way.
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I think that Vivaldi and Brave are pretty equivalent in privacy questions. Both include all what a Chromium Browser can offer in this point.
@Catweazle Well, yes, but Vivaldi does not have to know who you are, and Brave does, if they are to "pay" you for approving of certain advertising on their platform.
Middle of the night. Here. 'Night all.
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@Ayespy , yes, that is a diference, but the problem of Brave is other and the reason why I don`t trust it.
@Catweazle Ewwww, Krap.