Mark 'Read' automatically?
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I think the current scheme of marking mail 'read" only manually goes hand in glove with viewing only unread mail. That way marking Read also removes the mail from the view, so it only should be done manually.
But this is forcing a new paradigm on a medium that many have already set their ways on. I am used to having a unified Inbox, and having mail marked Read automatically after a few seconds of viewing. The mail stays in the inbox for further attention later on. This is a handy state for mail I want to keep in view, but in the background. Or the mail can be moved by a separate action.
Unless I'm missing something, there is no way to duplicate this behavior in the new mail client. The mails won't auto-mark read, and there is no unified inbox. If I use the Unread view, Read mail disappears. If I used the Received view, all mail is there and there is no way to keep certain older mails prominent, except maybe labels, which is bothersome.
Are there plans for marking mail read automatically, and for a unified inbox?
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@paul1149 There are 2 states, clicked and read. As soon as you click on a new message, it’s marked as seen, but not as read. I think this is helpful. Only when you mark it as read does it disappear from the unread view, but you can keep it in there to deal with it later too. And unread mail is also visible in all messages (if you set it), which is the unified inbox. I don’t understand what you are missing. I don’t use labels either at the moment, but I think flags are helpful to keep collections of threads and messages handy for some time. Every mail client is different of course, but we got a wide variety of options here, including one key shortcuts to make handling mail fast and painless.
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Already requested https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53355/auto-mark-email-as-read-option
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@luetage I've been confused over what utility the "unseen" parameter might have. When I saw this:
I concluded that enabling it would impose manual marking of email as 'read'. But unchecking it did not change that. Basically, I don't find the description helpful at all.
Possibly then, Unseen could function as a replacement for the classic "read". But currently the bold font is keyed to unread, not to unseen, messages, so the visual confirmation is not there.
Also, to be useful to me, there would have to be a unified Inbox proper. Just having mail in a seen+unread state, buried under days or weeks of subsequent mail in the unread or received folders, is not going to help me be organized.
It's possible I'm missing something here. I hope so. As much as I have anticipated the mailer, and as much as I am encouraged by its potential, this will be a deal breaker unless I can see my way through it somehow.
May I also add that I don't get the nag dialog when merely trying to Delete a mail? Ungraceful though it be, it suspiciously does not look like a bug.
@saudiqbal Thank you, I missed that. I did do a search on 'mark read' in this forum but it came up empty.
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@paul1149 Count unseen messages controls the counter on the panel. When checked only unread mail will be counted on the panel icon, when unchecked unseen messages are being counted too. Additionally unread messages have a dot in highlight color added to them, while unseen messages are bold. That’s the visual clue right there.
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@luetage I also can't figure out why there is an option to count/not count unseen messages but not unread messages. I think the issue here is that unseen corresponds to a concept that users are familiar with while unread corresponds to a new type of workflow, but the option in the mail settings is about turning on/off the familiar workflow, not the unfamiliar one, which makes no sense at all.
Not to mention that "read" seems to duplicate the "archive" functionality on some mail servers but is implemented in a different way, which may make it useless/more work for some users and led to this feature request.
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@luetage,
I'm having problems with your statement, on several counts. First, I think your logic here is backward:Count unseen messages controls the counter on the panel. When checked only unread mail will be counted on the panel icon, when unchecked unseen messages are being counted too.
Rather, when Count Unseen is unchecked the count is not shown; when checked it is. Correct?
Additionally unread messages have a dot in highlight color added to them, while unseen messages are bold. That’s the visual clue right there.
The dot is there for both Unseen and Unread. The only difference between those two states is Unseen has a lavender caste to the font. Both are bold, both have the dot. So yes, there is a visual clue, it is a subtle color tone.
However, none of this approaches the simplicity and power of having a unitary Inbox and separate Read and Delete/Move functionality. That's been a tried and tested scheme for decades now, and should be toyed with only with caution, IMV. Or at least any significant deviation should be optional.
Just me speaking, and maybe I'll change my mind over time, but with respect, I think the mail client is too wonky and complicated for my use.
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@guigirl said in Mark 'Read' automatically?:
M2 users who [presumably] have had an easy time adopting to the M3 paradigm & workflow.
I used to use and like M2, though it's been several years now. I continued to use it after opera went down. It was the first I knew of with virtual folders.
But M3's folder structure and mail handling is a horse of a different color. A mailer without a (common) Inbox is like an OS without a functioning desktop. It demands a radical change in mail handling habits, and I fail to see any upside.
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I agree that mail should go to read when clicked on or at least be an option in the settings, I would like to see an option to order the list in ascending or descending, I would like to see a hotkey for sending mail to the trash, if any of these are possible currently are can be implemented via anther method such as filtering please let me know, I am a simple mail user/reader but until the auto read is implemented I think I'll go back to my old option for reading email Mailbird client.
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@loudermp this topic is more thoroughly discussed in another thread linked below. An issue for Vivaldi Mail to implement this is the fact that the Unread view is the key place to get stuff done. Emails show there while they carry the unread flag, so automatically marking them read would make them disappear while you look at the email. What's so hard about pressing k (for mark as read), g (mark as read and go to next unread)?
I became rather frustrated with people wanting this feature without providing any insights as to how it would actually work in M3 without major changes, so I made a suggestion, which subsequently everyone ignored
https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/521715
Feel free to add to that thread if you have good new insights (and add your vote to the original post in the other thread, it has more votes than this one here)
To your other questions:
would like to see an option to order the list in ascending or descending,
Click on the Date column header (if you show the message list with all columns) or this button in the simplified view
I would like to see a hotkey for sending mail to the trash,
Press the del key to delete a message. Or shift+del to delete it without putting it to trash first
//MODEDIT: fixed link
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@wildente thanks for your response it was very informative, I will try Vivaldi mail again with the info you provided and will check out the link you provided, again thanks
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@loudermp actually I just found that the feature request you should vote for (the original and the one with the highest amounts of votes) is this one: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53355/auto-mark-email-as-read-option
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I was wrong in an assertion I made in this post, so I'm deleting it.
Sorry for the mistake. -Paul
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@paul1149
Hi, I never heard or read a post is deleted from a moderator since 7 years, except spam or porno links.
Sometimes posts are merged to other threads, then a link to the old post is dead.Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin This thread has not been merged, and it would be inappropriate to take individual posts from one thread and move them to another.
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@paul1149 do you mean this thread https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53654/unified-inbox/9?_=1667150383871 ?
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@WildEnte No, that wasn't it. The post was much more detailed than that one. Thanks.
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@paul1149 we had a pretty long discussion here (several posts, I just picked one) https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/57939/what-do-you-think-of-mail-client-after-using-it-for-several-months/74?_=1667199114893
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@WildEnte I am in your debt. I believe that thread contains the convo that I thought was missing. I'm sorry I missed that in my search and concluded it was in this thread. After a day or so I'll probably delete my post here. Thank you very much.
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@paul1149 thanks for your reaction, this is why I like this community. It's natural to make assumptions here and there but it takes maturity to allow this to be the case and find a way to a good discussion, even if disagreements about the matter at hand remain. Thumbs up from me!