PGP/GPG De-/Encryption and Signing

code3

This would be great! In the meantime, does anyone know how to use Mailvelope with the Vivaldi Mail Client. The client was made with web technologies, so it should be able to work, at least in theory.

code3

@Gwen-Dragon Okay, I will

code3

I may write PGP emails in a separate app, so I would be fine if Vivaldi released the decryption of PGP messages before encryption.

code3

I started using anonaddy.com (which I highly recommend) to encrypt incoming emails. Now I cannot see emails in Vivaldi Mail. I have started using mailvelope or thunderbird instead, however, I much prefer m3 even in it's "preview" state so I hope the team will release this (in a snapshot) soon. Thank you for your hard work on Vivaldi Mail, it is looking great!

modedit Split from https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/53298/pgp-gpg-encryption-and-signing/

code3

@Gwen-Dragon I'm not really sure what you mean. I have a free subdomain user.anonaddy.com. I submitted my PGP public key to anonaddy. If I sign up for a website or service, I tell them my email is [email protected]. Anonaddy encrypts the email on their server with my keys, and then forwards it to me so I can decrypt it. Since each service uses a seperate email, I can pinpoint and block spam.
(I think I see where I confused you. I want to decrypt incoming emails, not encrypt them. The feature request for encryption and signing also includes decryption and verifying).

code3

@Gwen-Dragon No, I think it it is. I am saying that I would really like OpenPGP decryption in Vivaldi Mail so I can read those emails that were sent to me through Anonaddy.
If you think it's off topic, that's fine, but I am not requesting a new feature, I am requesting the same feature as @LonM.

code3

@Gwen-Dragon said in PGP/GPG De-/Encryption and Signing:

I apologise, i misunderstood you.

That's okay, I was probably confusing.

@Gwen-Dragon said in PGP/GPG De-/Encryption and Signing:

English is not my first language.

At least you know two languages, I only know one. (Except for a little bit of Chinese.)

jumpsq

I would imagine that the reason for this issue requiring so much time lies with Windows systems? ...

Although I believe that substantial work will probably have been done here as of now, with bumping this thread, I also want to provide some ideas and express my wish that gnupg and gpg-agent will be available as the backend (no idea if this is possible on windows in a similar ways, but at least for macOS and linux systems this should be a possibility).

I expect that the idea has at least been at some point to integrate key management (storage, creation, passwords) into vivaldi. This makes sense to provide the same experience cross-platform, but thunderbird really has messed up when directly integrating enigmail since they lost quite some functionality with RNP. I think it would be a huge advantage if vivaldi would not limit itself in functionality, and if it would not require imports from private keys and trust levels instead of using what's present at ~/.gnupg/.

Reasoning:

Key storage in multiple places does not make sense. This will only result in conflicts (e.g. keys (extended | retracted | trust changed) in one place but not in others) and inconsistencies (which keys are present, which are not).
Without gpg-agent, passwords either have to be saved, encrypted with a master password (which is not yet available for vivaldi), or entered every time (which is likely to be undesired even but most users who want to use OpenPGP in the first place).
Other features such as smart cards should be supported, which is the case for the existing libraries but would probably be a long way or never achieved realistically for vivladi's OpenPGP implementation.

vanessam99

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pointed.stick

Soooo, "1.0", "5.5", etc.

May I inquire how mail encryption is coming along? Is it still on the todo list or was it abandoned?

IIRC it was promised since Opera 7

LonM

@pointed-stick It is still planned, but no timeline yet.

pointed.stick

That means, that there isn't even someone working on it right now, right?

What is planned? Only PGP or PGP and S/MIME?

LonM

@pointed-stick If this is implemented PGP is likely, maybe S/MIME, but I am not aware of what the plan is exactly. I'm not a Vivaldi developer, so I can't say for sure.

pointed.stick

Okay, back to being hopeful. Maybe it'll take less than another seven years...

DoctorG

@pointed-stick Hmm, i do not thinks so, but as i sadly remember when i was working in office with Opera Mail, S/MIME or OpenPGP was announced but it never got it.
Vivaldi will not step into such dead-end street again.

ZakMcKracken

Especially since the Vivaldi webmail interface uses Mailvelope to let people send/receive PGP-encrypted e-mail, I think a compatible desktop client is in order. There's a host of open-source mail clients which seem to work just fine (personally tried Thunderbird, Kmail -- no problems. Claws and Evolution have it too, but I haven't properly used the feature, just checked that I can set it up).

Of course, I'd expect that there are probably legal issues preventing Vivaldi from integrating at least some of the available open-source libraries, which brings me back to my pet complaint that Vivaldi is still closed and commercial, which means that as long as the users are not the only/main paying customers there will always be an economic incentive for selling out their users to whatever extent Vivaldi thinks they can get away with. Which might be just a tiny little bit (preconfigured bookmarks, default settings that paying customers prefer...), but there's a well-trodden road from there to the worst excesses of the surveillance economy.

And now I'm sad again

Yes, there's probably very few people using PGP regularly, but lack of support in clients is one of the reasons for it, and it shouldn't be that hard to implement.

Pesala

@ZakMcKracken Please vote for the existing request PGP-GPG De-encryption and Signing

DoctorG

Now many years later, no OpenPGP support? very sad.
For me this is a lack of Privacy and Trust to use it as a mail client in business.

And please vote for S/MIME ⇒ https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/90674/add-s-mime-to-vivaldi-mail/1

Need to discuss? See https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/90676/vivaldi-presents-itself-as-a-browser-and-mail-client-for-good-privacy-but-whats-about-mail-signature-encryption-in-these-times/1

w.tromp

No built-in support for OpenPGP unfortunately means there is until now still no reason to use Vivaldi Mail instead of Thunderbird. Creating decentalised stored PGP keys is possible with the built in OpenPGP support in Thunderbird. Storing PGP-keys on a centralised mailserver is in my opinion fundamentally an unsafe practice.