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When will we get secure passwords with spaces and all character support?
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I opened a bug request (22512417742) before, and was told that the Vivaldi accounts would be getting an update to allow for secure passwords. It is clear that the Forums and account systems have been updated, but still don't have support for truly secure passwords, especially support for Spaces and special characters in passwords. Will this issue be addressed?
Thanks.
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@artpoetryfiction
Hi, I use special characters since a long time.
What log in do you mean?Cheers mib
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According to KeePassXC, my Vivaldi account password is:
...and that's not just a recent change.
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@artpoetryfiction, any password with more than 10-12 characters is safe and impossible to hack with brute force.
You can easily calculate the possibilities, assuming 112 basic characters available
112 ^ password length.
With a password of 10 caracters = 310.584.820.834.420.900.000 possibilities
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@Catweazle said in When will we get secure passwords with spaces and all character support?:
any password with more than 10-12 characters is safe and impossible to hack with brute force
This is true.
But not if your password iscorrecthorsebatterystaple
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I've used Steve Gibson's Perfect Paper Passwords for some time now.
Many times stringing two or three together, spaces and all. No problems. Impossible to remember but I annotate the PDF and enter them onto an encrypted spreadsheet which eventually goes for import into Keepass/KeePassDroid. -
@Pathduck , is irrelevant, since a brute force application tries with the whole character set, therefore in the background only the password length matters. In your case 112^25=1.700006440664268210^51 possibilities. Brute Force only works with short passwords.
Even if you use only the letters of the alphabet and only lowercase as in your example, it would still be 26^25 = 2.36773830007967610^35 possibilities. That need years -
@Catweazle said in When will we get secure passwords with spaces and all character support?:
That need years
Not when it's a dictionary attack
My joke was that is a very well-known password because of the comic.
Try it on: https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords -
@Pathduck , I know, for this reason it is necessary to use all the characters and substitute letters for numbers and use uppercase and lowercase letters.
I'm just saying that the Brute Force attack is useless in any case, to hack a password you can try a dictionary system, but it is usually done through Keyloggers in a direct way. -
Computerphile on YouTube has some great videos on the topic of passwords:
Password Cracking - Computerphile [ first half is about brute force and the second half is about dictionary ]
How to Choose a Password - ComputerphileWith the massive databases of hashed passwords being leaked through the years, dictionary attacks are getting scarily good. They also make use of common substitution rule sets to make the dictionaries apply to more passwords, so the addition of spaces in between words, capitalizing random letters, or replacing the letter
E
with a3
can often not be enough to foil a dictionary attack.Fortunately, these attacks are only really applicable if Vivaldi's database of hashed passwords is hacked or if you happened to reuse your password from another website that got their hashed passwords hacked. But you don't do that, right, you would never reuse a password
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@nomadic IMO, people who don't use password databases & random generators with high entropy for their passwords, are naive fools.
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@nomadic , randomly one of my Password, same with others I use
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@artpoetryfiction Spaces and special characters are allowed in passwords now. It was implemented with the update you mentioned.
Have you tried changing your password? If not, please do and try using characters that you couldn't before.
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@mib2berlin I mean the login to the Forums and my user account here on Vivaldi!
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@jane-n -- Hi, actually I can't find anyway to change my Forum password anymore! No such setting seems to exist.
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@artpoetryfiction The account profile is on Vivaldi.net. You can go there directly with this link: http://login.vivaldi.net/profile/samlsso.
Alternatively, you can click on your avatar in the top right corner here on the Forum and select Profile. On your forum profile, you have a few options listed on the left side to change account info. Click on one of them to be taken to the main account profile.And you can always reset the password via email here.
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@jane-n Boy that is super intuitive (not). Yes passwords with spaces are working. Thank you. FYI, at one point I found myself in the WordPress Admin interface... don't think I was supposed to get there. Another thing, this session usability where switching from Community to Forum not recognizing the user as logged in is not fun.
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@artpoetryfiction Vivaldi offers a blogging service as well. The blogging platform uses WordPress and you most likely found yourself on the WordPress dashboard.
Also, we're working towards a single sign on option, but to implement that a few other puzzle pieces need to be put in place first. For now, if you're logged in on the Forum or Vivaldi.net, it should be enough to just click Log in on the other page, no need to enter the login credentials twice.
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