Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65



  • @jon I hope you never feel obligated to put in new features with every single release, though I can't recall one where features haven't led the way.

    Sometimes I think it might be more optimal on your end to alternate feature releases as they are now (which include bug fixes, of course) with pure maintenance releases (bugs/performance/internals etc but no new features at all). It would give you more time to work on features and have a little breathing room.

    Maybe the blog post announcements wouldn't be as sexy.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @rseiler , we have a lot of features in the pipeline. Some of those features we have been working on for a long time. We can work on both short term and long term projects at the same time. We know that what our users want is a combination of new features, feature improvements, flexibility, bug fixes and speed improvements.

    Obviously the release cycles take up a lot of time, but that is independent of whether we add features or not.


  • Moderator

    @cM0 said in Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65:

    Is it possible to uninstall it?

    I shouldn't think so. But if you don't like that it is there, you needn't interact with it, and it will not in any way impact your browsing experience. I personally am not a gamer, and have not played digital games at all, since the 80's. So, I simply ignore it and go on my way. It does not affect my life, on-line or off-line.



  • Still crashes on RHEL 7.4 / tigervnc (VB-71985). 😞



  • @cM0 You can't uninstall it but you can chose to hidew the button.
    Go to your start page, right-click the game button and take off the tick mark.
    You can enable it later (if wished) in the Start Page part of Settings...



  • New problem: If you choose to stack by host (domain), the stack will always locate itself to the far left. It used to be that it would locate in the vicinity of where you right-clicked and chose Stack Tabs by Host.



  • @jon: Speaking of M3: How will you deal with SMIME-encryped/signed mails? Will M3 support it from the beginning? If not, will M3 display a hint and will it be supported later?


  • Moderator

    @SteveKong Not in a early Technical Preview. But i know that signing/encryption/decryption of S/MIME and OpenPGP mails will be implemented.



  • @pathduck: I'd prefer m3 instead............



  • so now, when we are back on topic, I would like to refer to my post from page 3

    Spoiler

    @derDay said in Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65:
    I have problems with the tab autoreload, since it was introduced:
    I have 2 windows with some tabs open (tabs at the right side), one is more or less in the background with some news sites which I have set to reload every 30 minutes.
    the visual "counter" decreases but sometimes it "stops" some millimeters before it should end.
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    I'm not really able to reproduce it because sometimes (the first time?) the automatic reload works but later one it does not.
    because we germans had a local problem 2 snapshots ago, this bug perhaps is also related to de-only 🤔
    am I the only one with this problem?



  • @Pesala
    Do you expect the developers to sit in their office "innovating" like machines? Creativity doesn't work that way.

    Have a look at the shenanigans Claude Shannon was up to 😉

    Or look at the origins of Unix (and thus Linux), which might just have come into being for the sake of sharing a computer game.

    All work and no play...


  • Ambassador

    @Topha A browser is a tool that people can use for work, to be creative, for education, for entertainment, or to waste their time playing games, as they wish. It does not need to incorporate a spread-sheet, a word-processor, a drawing program, or a computer game. If you have a browser you can access all of those things easily. If you want to play games offline, then you can download the game.

    Basic tools like a spell-checker, a calculator, an email client, RSS reader, and advanced web development tools make perfect sense in a browser. Even a clock/timer has some benefits from being built-in.

    There are countless game sites online, whether you want to play chess, Sudoku, do crossword puzzles, or whatever.

    Coding is inherently creative. The only coding that I do is for OpenType fonts, but playing games would not help in the slightest to make me more creative or productive.



  • @Pesala And others say a mail client doesn’t belong in a browser, being very content with either standalone clients or webmail, and yet others believe incorporating note taking is a waste of development time and space, because there are excellent solutions already available. You are drawing an arbitrary and biased line here, but the rain shall wash it away.



  • @Pesala said in Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65:

    Basic tools like a spell-checker, a calculator, an email client, RSS reader, and advanced web development tools make perfect sense in a browser. Even a clock/timer has some benefits from being built-in.

    Well, that really depends on the point of view. For me, an e-mail client is unnecessary, just like the calculator & clock. An RSS reader can be useful, but it should be a separate program as well. A spell checker should be system-wide, all that the browser should do is call it.

    The devtools — yes, they make sense, coz a browser is actually the platform the programs (i.e. websites) are run on. They should be optional (or in another way not built-in) though, just like advanced debugging tools for other platforms.



  • @potmeklecbohdan Lets be honest, anything with more features than a command line web browser is bloated garbage for the uneducated masses. It makes people actively dumber.



  • @luetage said in Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65:

    @potmeklecbohdan Lets be honest, anything with more features than a command line web browser is bloated garbage for the uneducated masses. It makes people actively dumber.

    heh, yeah, damn noobs! 😉



  • @luetage 🤣 I meant it more like a program should do one thing, and do one thing well. One should fetch the data, another display them. Another tie the two together. The problem is, browsers usually include all of them with only minimal chance of use from outside (e.g., do you know if you can use Vivaldi from the command line to download a page?; It can display local files, but that’s a side effect).



  • @luetage IMO it all became excessive bloat once we expanded our scope from just the 0s, to including the 1s.

    Slippery slope.



  • @Steffie Yeah, it really all went downhill from there, didn’t it.



  • @rseiler: Yes,I have the same issue.


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