Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65
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@Pesala
Do you expect the developers to sit in their office "innovating" like machines? Creativity doesn't work that way.Have a look at the shenanigans Claude Shannon was up to
Or look at the origins of Unix (and thus Linux), which might just have come into being for the sake of sharing a computer game.
All work and no play...
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@Topha A browser is a tool that people can use for work, to be creative, for education, for entertainment, or to waste their time playing games, as they wish. It does not need to incorporate a spread-sheet, a word-processor, a drawing program, or a computer game. If you have a browser you can access all of those things easily. If you want to play games offline, then you can download the game.
Basic tools like a spell-checker, a calculator, an email client, RSS reader, and advanced web development tools make perfect sense in a browser. Even a clock/timer has some benefits from being built-in.
There are countless game sites online, whether you want to play chess, Sudoku, do crossword puzzles, or whatever.
Coding is inherently creative. The only coding that I do is for OpenType fonts, but playing games would not help in the slightest to make me more creative or productive.
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@Pesala And others say a mail client doesn’t belong in a browser, being very content with either standalone clients or webmail, and yet others believe incorporating note taking is a waste of development time and space, because there are excellent solutions already available. You are drawing an arbitrary and biased line here, but the rain shall wash it away.
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@Pesala said in Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65:
Basic tools like a spell-checker, a calculator, an email client, RSS reader, and advanced web development tools make perfect sense in a browser. Even a clock/timer has some benefits from being built-in.
Well, that really depends on the point of view. For me, an e-mail client is unnecessary, just like the calculator & clock. An RSS reader can be useful, but it should be a separate program as well. A spell checker should be system-wide, all that the browser should do is call it.
The devtools — yes, they make sense, coz a browser is actually the platform the programs (i.e. websites) are run on. They should be optional (or in another way not built-in) though, just like advanced debugging tools for other platforms.
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@potmeklecbohdan Lets be honest, anything with more features than a command line web browser is bloated garbage for the uneducated masses. It makes people actively dumber.
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@luetage said in Vivaldi 3.4 RC 1 – Vivaldi Desktop Browser snapshot 2066.64/65:
@potmeklecbohdan Lets be honest, anything with more features than a command line web browser is bloated garbage for the uneducated masses. It makes people actively dumber.
heh, yeah, damn noobs!
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@luetage I meant it more like a program should do one thing, and do one thing well. One should fetch the data, another display them. Another tie the two together. The problem is, browsers usually include all of them with only minimal chance of use from outside (e.g., do you know if you can use Vivaldi from the command line to download a page?; It can display local files, but that’s a side effect).
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@luetage IMO it all became excessive bloat once we expanded our scope from just the 0s, to including the 1s.
Slippery slope.
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@Steffie Yeah, it really all went downhill from there, didn’t it.
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@rseiler: Yes,I have the same issue.
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I have the same problem. It never works as expected, it updates one or two times and then stops shortly before the end of the update period.
Also the German version.
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@ian-coog: Hi iAN, we had a fix already, but we didn't cherry pick it to the snap, as it is a bit risky to take just yet, we'll try to get the fix out to you asap tho
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@Aronand great, thanks
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@luetage My line is not arbitrary. It is drawn from decades of experience on My Opera and these forums. I see what feature requests recur repeatedly, and which are most popular. Let me know about any threads requesting a Super Mario type game, or any game at all, and let us see how many users have requested it.
Votes for Feature Requests
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@Pesala 8 people, including the requester
This request is still in the top 1/3 of all requests, going by number of votes
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@Pesala however, the point is that innovation is almost by definition not simply responding to expectation...
(and again, I think we all get your point but this falls under the category of fun little things which can be ignored by some but endear the Vivaldi team to many of its users)
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I wonder what's worse: crying over spilt milk, or easter eggs?
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@hilumcool: Some result whether snapshot or stable stream.
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For the last couple of updates I have two icons on my task bar. I'm using Windows 10, Vivaldi is pinned to the task bar. When I open Vivaldi, the pinned icon remains and a new icon is created for the open browser. Is this only me?
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@doctord: Pin new icon and delete old icon.