Vivaldi gets worse and worse



  • Meanwhile the Vivaldi Browser is such a junk that I have deleted it from all PCs. This started with the missing possibility to print with an Epson ink printer and ends with the lameness of several web pages that are loaded immediately in other browsers. This is as always a memory error. Because if you delete the memory and the cookies, it will work for a while. They might have to release a version for Germany, where Internet has to be redefined. There are still countless corners in Germany that are just above modem standard. There you can see what a browser can and cannot do. Firefox and its derivatives can.
    With Vivaldi only frustration arises. They develop only for Android and the desktop version remains in the shadow.


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    @harrygrey said in Vivaldi gets worse and worse:

    Meanwhile the Vivaldi Browser is such a junk that I have deleted it from all PCs.

    Sorry to hear that you suffer from such trouble with Vivaldi on your Linux.
    I hope you will come back or test Vivaldi as your second browser.

    This started with the missing possibility to print with an Epson ink printer

    That is bad, but a unfixed Chromium issue!
    https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1081705

    and ends with the lameness of several web pages that are loaded immediately in other browsers.

    Yes, i suffer too, after a while Vivaldi gets slower and slower after hours or if history/cache is not deleted more often manually.

    With Vivaldi only frustration arises. They develop only for Android and the desktop version remains in the shadow.

    For users like you it look like Android gets more attention than Linux version. A brand new product like Vivaldi for android gets more attention, but i do not think/know that Linux Desktop version is less important.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @Gwen-Dragon has addressed many of the issues you've mentioned.
    I'll just add that since Vivaldi on Android is very new, from the marketing point of view, it may seem as if Android is getting more attention, but I can guarantee you that both Desktop and Android versions get equal attention from our developers.

    We hope you'll give Vivaldi another try again soon. 🙂



  • The issue isn't with Vivaldi, it's an upstream bug, as @Gwen-Dragon mentioned.

    From what I have read in the comments pertaining to this bug, the problem is fixed in a recent build of Chromium. Additional comments indicated it would be fixed in Chrome 85, but there was a question on whether the fix could be put in 84. Currently, Vivaldi is using Chrome 83, as is Chromium.

    Hold tight. I would suggest that if another browser (Firefox?) doesn't cause this problem, use that for now. Then when Vivaldi is updated to include Chrome 84 and then 85, please consider reinstalling it and test the printing issue.

    I believe @jane.n when she said both Desktop and Android versions receive equal attention from the developers.

    Ed



  • I've discovered Vivaldi Browser a month ago.

    Over the past few years i switched from opera to chrome.
    Till right now i can't complain as Vivaldi is more customizable/multitasking and not resource hungry as other browsers.

    Tried all other popular browsers Opera/Brave/Microsoft Edge/Firefox but now i decide to use this as my daily browser.


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    @Crsmsg , welcome to Vivaldi, and yes, it is a browser that after using it, all the others seem crappy and mainstream.



  • @Crsmsg said in Vivaldi gets worse and worse:

    I've discovered Vivaldi Browser a month ago.

    Over the past few years i switched from opera to chrome.
    Till right now i can't complain as Vivaldi is more customizable/multitasking and not resource hungry as other browsers.

    Tried all other popular browsers Opera/Brave/Microsoft Edge/Firefox but now i decide to use this as my daily browser.

    I can say exactly the same. The only issue I that I've run across that couldn't be fixed is that from time to time like with any OS or browser a fresh install and buildup is needed.



  • @AlienProber said in Vivaldi gets worse and worse:

    I can say exactly the same. The only issue I that I've run across that couldn't be fixed is that from time to time like with any OS or browser a fresh install and buildup is needed.

    This is usually the case when it comes to Android apps. Couldn't tell you how many times I've had to uninstall and reinstall an app... 😁



  • @harrygrey Very far from the truth of mine and my circle's experience and from the general feedback all those years in this forum, Vivaldi gets better and better. Not to speak about its embrace and acceptance of more and more Linux users I'm witnessing, Linux youtubers use it, some distros even offer it as default, things that can't be said for example for ChOpera. I have installed it to all my PCs running Linux, one on Mint Cinnamon and one on Manjaro KDE and is running blazingly fast on both. Printer is a HP and it prints fine and as proven your problem affects all Chromium-based browsers and not Vivaldi. So it's far from "lameness", "junk" -your words- and additional sarcasm which are insulting to begin with. I keep a history of 3 months, never cleaning any cache or 1st-party cookies or whatever else there is in that dialogue while not allowing third-party cookies and don't noticing any degradation in performance at all. I don't live in Germany but my internet is not particulary good, 50/5 Mbit and my circle's 24/1 , and all Chromium-based browsers perform more or less the same which by default is faster than Firefox, as abandonware Opera on the Presto engine was as well. So historically, there's only one junk browser and it is Firefox.
    There's no frustration with Vivaldi but only joy using it and its features, which will be further enhanced with the arriving of the integrated e-Mail client and RSS reader called M3. So, developing only for Android and not for desktop is an unjustified arbirtary claim of yours. Nevertheless Vivaldi for Android rightfully deserved some serious work to catch up with the competition as nowadays every browser has to have its phone equivalent to be taken seriously and have an audience and its progress and grad of achievement is very impressive as it took many years for other competitors much bigger in manpower and funds like ChOpera to get it right. So to sum up, your way of saying bye is a lie based on ignorance. But as long as you want to make yourself supposedly "important" to a forum with such a pretentious bye-letter, adios.



  • @edwardp said in Vivaldi gets worse and worse:

    The issue isn't with Vivaldi, it's an upstream bug, as @Gwen-Dragon mentioned.

    From what I have read in the comments pertaining to this bug, the problem is fixed in a recent build of Chromium. Additional comments indicated it would be fixed in Chrome 85, but there was a question on whether the fix could be put in 84. Currently, Vivaldi is using Chrome 83, as is Chromium.

    Hold tight. I would suggest that if another browser (Firefox?) doesn't cause this problem, use that for now. Then when Vivaldi is updated to include Chrome 84 and then 85, please consider reinstalling it and test the printing issue.

    I believe @jane.n when she said both Desktop and Android versions receive equal attention from the developers.

    Ed

    That is not really a viable solution as it would suggest vivaldi is constantly playing catch up with chromium and from what i can gather most of the developers time will be consumed by fixing previous chromium bugs.

    I am curious as to whether the OP has tried vanilla chromium to see if the initial issues still exist and then it is just a mere case of process by elimination rather than just using the "its a chromium" bug proclamation.

    Because vivaldi is not fully open source and has proprietary licences i find it odd that some linux distros offer it as default in their repos.


  • Ambassador

    @Priest72 , I think Vivaldi is not OpenSource in the traditional definition, Vivaldi is OSS in the sense that all its code is open for audit (what basically interest), you can only say that Vivaldi is not FOSS, since some codes are visible but not with the license to use them freely .
    Of course it's not fair to define it as proprietary soft because of this, like Chrome or Edge.



  • @Priest72 A thought occurred to me this morning. @harrygrey indicated printing in Firefox does not cause the problem.

    In Fedora, Firefox uses the native Linux printing dialog.

    Vivaldi, Chrome and Chromium can also use the same. When on the print screen, there is a selection for More Settings, it's an option there:

    print_dialogue.png

    Selecting 'Print using system dialog' brings up the same print dialog as Firefox.

    @harrygrey Give that a try?



  • @AlienProber said in Vivaldi gets worse and worse:

    I can say exactly the same. The only issue I that I've run across that couldn't be fixed is that from time to time like with any OS or browser a fresh install and buildup is needed.

    I've been running Vivaldi for years. I can't say exactly when I first installed it, but I can say that on my current workstation I haven't cleared my history since there middle of 2016, so about 4 years now. Obviously I haven't needed a fresh install during that time either.

    Theoretically, not clearing your history for such a long time can slow things down, so if you're experiencing a slow down then some general browser maintenance could resolve the issue. For my part, I haven't noticed any performance issues, except maybe a slight delay when I first access history but populating a list that long from a database would be expected to some non-trivial amount of time.

    But I've never run into anything that has required me to do a full clean install. This includes having used numerous extensions, most of which I no longer use and have removed, as well as using many mods. I seem to be able to maintain a responsive browser without suffering any other kinds of negative effects either. I haven't had to clean install any of my OSes either, except when doing so explicitly for some project, but my two primary OSes haven't been clean installed after the initial install probably ~5 years ago.


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