Panel closing mysteriously [solved]
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Short version: On Vivaldi 3.x, my panel consistently closes for no discernible reason, and it bugs me.
Longer version:
I run multiple Vivaldi windows, nearly all of them maximized, and I like to keep the panel open all the time. Lately I've been noticing that sometimes when I look at the window, the panel has mysteriously disappeared.
I never used to have this problem. I'm pretty sure it showed up on my last upgrade (specifically, to 3.0.1874.38), but I can't swear to it.
I'm almost positive it never happens when the window has focus. Not only have I never actually caught it in the act of closing, but I've noticed that, once I notice the panel is gone in one window, I check every other window, and it's closed in all of them ... even the ones I haven't used recently. So it definitely can happen when the window is in the background, and I'm pretty sure (but not 100%) that it only happens when the window is in the background.
Which panel is current doesn't seem to matter (bookmarks, history, windows, etc).
This computer is running Linux Mint Sonya (that's 18.2, based on Ubuntu Xenial). I'm currently down to one computer, so I can't say if it's happening on other machines.
I do not have the "floating panel" checked; originally the "auto-close inactive panel" was checked, though of course disabled since floating panel was off, but I unchecked that as well to see if it made a difference (it didn't).
Anyone seen this, or have any ideas on how to fix it?
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Aaaargh! This is the second time I've popped over to this window to see if anyone had any suggestions, and both times my panel was closed again.
Am I just doomed to be stuck like this forever? Should I downgrade? upgrade further? Perhaps I'm just Warnocked. Bump, I guess?
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Can't help with your reported problem as I never have more than 2 windows open and then they are not maximised. But I've not seen this problem (if that is worth anything).
However:
@barefootcoder said in Panel closing mysteriously:
3.0.1874.38
That is an old version.
Should I downgrade?
No. Risks corruption of your profile.
upgrade further?
Might as well check again with the current version.
And also worth testing with Guest profile (no extensions etc.)
Edit: I'm assuming that you do NOT have "Tools/Setting/Panel - Panel Options/Auto-Close Inactive Panel"
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@barefootcoder What options have you selected in Settings, Panel? It sounds like you have the floating panel enabled.
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@Pesala said in Panel closing mysteriously:
@barefootcoder What options have you selected in Settings, Panel? It sounds like you have the floating panel enabled.
It does sound like that, doesn't it? But, as I said up above:
I do not have the "floating panel" checked; originally the "auto-close inactive panel" was checked, though of course disabled since floating panel was off, but I unchecked that as well to see if it made a difference (it didn't).
AFA what the options are ... maybe I can do a screenshot.
Aha! worked it out.@TbGbe said in Panel closing mysteriously:
@barefootcoder said in Panel closing mysteriously:
3.0.1874.38
That is an old version.
Depends on your perspective, I suppose. I upgraded
vivaldi-stable
to current in February, and that's what I got ... 4Β½ months doesn't seem too old.Should I downgrade?
No. Risks corruption of your profile.
Good point.
upgrade further?
Might as well check again with the current version.
Yeah, I see 3.1 is out now. I don't really care about notes functionality, but it also says "speed improvements," so I may as well. I just avoid upgrading too frequently because it's a bit of a pain, and at least twice I've lost my session state and had to restore from backup, which is not easy to do.
And also worth testing with Guest profile (no extensions etc.)
The problem there is that I can't reproduce it on command; I just have to wait for days until I notice it happening. And operating without extensions for that long a time is just too painful.
Thanks for all your suggestions guys! I'm going to upgrade to 3.1 right now and see if that makes a difference.
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I've also never had this misbehaviour, but as per @TbGbe i also do not run V maximised, & 99% of the time i have only one V window; that other 1% = only one extra window, for my Test profile, & it rarely remains open longer than ~15'. I do however always have the panel open [non-floating], predominantly at the Window Panel [which i use as a defacto TreeStyleTab-esque workflow]; it has never self-closed on me.
You might not like this, but IMO it is pretty pointless users seeking forum assistance when they use an old version. I see you're going to belatedly update, so that's good, but next time you have any misbehaviours IMO it would behove you first to ensure your version is current, & secondly that a clean profile also manifests the problem [if yes, it might be a V bug, but if no then it's more likely a user-profile corruption].
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@Steffie said in Panel closing mysteriously:
I've also never had this misbehaviour, but as per @TbGbe i also do not run V maximised, & 99% of the time i have only one V window; that other 1% = only one extra window, for my Test profile, & it rarely remains open longer than ~15'. I do however always have the panel open [non-floating], predominantly at the Window Panel [which i use as a defacto TreeStyleTab-esque workflow]; it has never self-closed on me.
Well, to be clear, I doubt that any of that has anything to do with my problem; I was just trying to provide maximum information in case that rang a bell with anyone.
You might not like this, but IMO it is pretty pointless users seeking forum assistance when they use an old version. ...
I don't think it's a question of "like" or anything like thatβit's just a question of what you consider "old," as I mentioned above. There are certain open-source communities where, if you're still running yesterday's code, you're out of touch. And then there are others where it's perfectly reasonable to be running the same code 5 years later, as long as you're keeping up with security patches. I would love it if my browser could be somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. Vivaldi is easily the best and most customizable browser out there right now, and hopefully it's achieving a level of stability where I don't have to update it every month just to keep from having interface issues. FTMP, I think that's true already.
But I hope I didn't seem like I was complaining, or claiming this was a bug. It's an annoyance, which might be a bug, or might be something I have misconfigured, or might be some weird interaction of plugins, as you suggest, or might be something else entirely. I don't really care which one it is; I just want to get it fixed.
Perhaps the new version will do it. I'm up and running on it now.
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@barefootcoder said in Panel closing mysteriously:
hope I didn't seem like I was complaining
To me anyway, you did not seem to be complaining.
I simply cannot grasp however why anyone would choose to not avail themselves of a browser's current version "on principle". Note that i exclude cases when it is a known fact that a later version has some show-stopper bug for that user. In general though, both wrt bugs & features/functions, "later is greater" ... at least for an advanced user-centric app like Vivaldi.
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@Steffie said in Panel closing mysteriously:
I simply cannot grasp however why anyone would choose to not avail themselves of a browser's current version "on principle". ...
Ah, okay ... perhaps I can help then.
It has nothing to do with "principle." Upgrading is a PITA. Not a huge PITA, granted, but it's an interruption to my workflow, takes more time than I have to give sometimes, and involves several steps that, if I forget one, I can easily get boned pretty hard. Which, as I mentioned, has already happened at least twice (that is, twice where it was pretty difficult to recover; many more times where it was annoying but easy to recover). So, the less often I need to upgrade, the better. And I confess I do have a tendency to actually read the release notes and see if there's anything there "worth" upgrading, because, if there isn't, I'll happily save the time and hassle and just wait for the next go round when there's something more exciting in the mix.
And, as I said, I feel like that's a reasonable expectation for a browser. I do have pieces of software that are fragile enough that I have to update them constantly so they don't fall apart, but I have to want that stuff pretty bad. For something as essential as a browser, keeping it around for 4 months doesn't really feel like an unreasonable expectation.
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@barefootcoder said in Panel closing mysteriously:
it's an interruption to my workflow
don't you go to sleep every night? before doing so, update the browser then go to sleep, no workflow interrupted.
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@iAN-CooG said in Panel closing mysteriously:
@barefootcoder said in Panel closing mysteriously:
it's an interruption to my workflow
don't you go to sleep every night? before doing so, update the browser then go to sleep, no workflow interrupted.
Whoa! It takes me about 15 β 30 minutes to update Vivaldi, and, as I mentioned above, every once in a while (not often) I run into a problem and it takes much longer. The thought of doing that every night ... definitely not appetizing.
Anyhow, it's been long enough at this point that I can fairly confidently state that the new version seems to have fixed it. So I'll mark this as closed.
Thx everyone for the help!
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@barefootcoder said in Panel closing mysteriously [solved]:
doing that every night
Nobody in this thread made any such recommendation -- you appear to have unfortunately misinterpreted Ian's entirely rational suggestion. Vivaldi [outside the Devs' & Sopranos' groups, i mean], is NOT updated every night, so it would be pointless for any ordinary user to bother trying. IMO all Ian meant was that on those intermittent occasions when a new version appears, do all your normal stuff during the day, & whatever part of the night as also might apply, and then initiate the update whilst you climb into bed. The next morning or whenever, you have your new version ready.
I continue to believe that as a general principle, save for specific edge-cases, ordinary users running obsolete software versions is not a sound decision. IMO you have simply re-proven this tenet per you latest post.
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@barefootcoder
Hi, how do you update?
I can upgrade my complete system in 15 minutes, including Vivaldi.
It depends mainly on system performance and internet connection speed.Cheers, mib
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