A good news for Vivaldi + Opera Mail users (no, this time doesn't came from Vivaldi, but from MS)



  • The news is that finally MS implemented the Snap function as it should since the day Win 8 was released. I mean that now, in the latest Win 10 builds you can snap a program to the left say OperaMail, another to the right say Vivaldi making them "glued" together, then you can move the divider and enlarge one windows wile shrinking the other, at the same time, just like Operamail was a Vivaldi sidepanel or the integrated client. I felt dumb to have discovered that, which is something I ask since the day Opium was released, so late. Then I realized that this kind of snap is not present on the RTM build of W10 (10240) but just on the latest builds (I'm on 10558 now, but few hours ago the build 10565 was released). I wish to post a video, but any screen capture SW I tried either breaks the function or grabs a blank video. edit So the screenshots to give you the idea. (and don't be too curious about my spam folder :D ) [IMG]http://i62.tinypic.com/25irsy8.jpg[/IMG]


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    @The_Solutor:

    The news is that finally MS implemented the Snap function as it should since the day Win 8 was released.

    I mean that now, in the latest Win 10 builds you can snap a program to the left say OperaMail, another to the right say Vivaldi making them "glued" together, then you can move the divider and enlarge one windows wile shrinking the other, at the same time, just like Operamail was a Vivaldi sidepanel or the integrated client.

    I felt dumb to have discovered that, which is something I ask since the day Opium was released, so late.

    Then I realized that this kind of snap is not present on the RTM build of W10 (10240) but just on the latest builds (I'm on 10558 now, but few hours ago the build 10565 was released).

    I wish to post a video, but any screen capture SW I tried either breaks the function or grabs a blank video.

    edit

    So the screenshots to give you the idea. (and don't be too curious about my spam folder :D )

    This is good news and it's not.

    One should not have to slide a seam to squeeze one app out of view and enlarge the other.

    The ideal situation is to click on a mail in the (permanently visible) mail list at the side of the browser and be working in mail, or click on a (permanently visible) tab or bookmark at the other side of the browser and be working on the web. That's why I have my mail and browser overlapped all the time on my desktop.



  • @Ayespy:

    @The_Solutor:

    The news is that finally MS implemented the Snap function as it should since the day Win 8 was released.

    I mean that now, in the latest Win 10 builds you can snap a program to the left say OperaMail, another to the right say Vivaldi making them "glued" together, then you can move the divider and enlarge one windows wile shrinking the other, at the same time, just like Operamail was a Vivaldi sidepanel or the integrated client.

    I felt dumb to have discovered that, which is something I ask since the day Opium was released, so late.

    Then I realized that this kind of snap is not present on the RTM build of W10 (10240) but just on the latest builds (I'm on 10558 now, but few hours ago the build 10565 was released).

    I wish to post a video, but any screen capture SW I tried either breaks the function or grabs a blank video.

    edit

    So the screenshots to give you the idea. (and don't be too curious about my spam folder :D )

    This is good news and it's not.

    One should not have to slide a seam to squeeze one app out of view and enlarge the other.

    The ideal situation is to click on a mail in the (permanently visible) mail list at the side of the browser and be working in mail, or click on a (permanently visible) tab or bookmark at the other side of the browser and be working on the web. That's why I have my mail and browser overlapped all the time on my desktop.

    Well, once you have the email client in the condition seen on pic 1, and you have to work on an email you can just to push win arrow up twice and the email will be maximized, then win + left and the email becomes snapped left again.

    Really. get your hands on a 105xx build and try it, even on a WM….


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    I had one. It bricked my test laptop. Now it boots, offers to sign you in, and then crashes on an "IRQ not greater than" error. I have to start all over again with that machine, now.

    Oh, yeah. I also don't use keyboard shortcuts. I. Just. Don't.



  • Oh, yeah. I also don't use keyboard shortcuts. I. Just. Don't.

    Keyboard shortcuts aren't important just for people who use them.

    They are important because you can easily use them to customize the mice controls.

    Think to tilt wheel left/tight = snap left/right….


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    Heh. My mouse wheel doesn't have a tilt function…



  • @Ayespy:

    Heh. My mouse wheel doesn't have a tilt function…

    Don't spare on mice, (and keyboards and monitors).

    Unlike the other IT things, some good ones are "for life".

    Get a Logitech M705, for example. It sells for around 40$ (or even less on ebay) It has a bunch of buttons, the switchable inertial wheel (which is tilting too) and has an infinite battery life.

    I got mine something like five years ago and I have yet to replace its original AA cells, although the heavy usage.

    It isn't huge nor tiny, and is precise and comfortable.

    With its sw you can assign any keyboard combination to its additional buttons (and even to the standard three)

    In short it makes your life better and for a long time.



  • Back to the new snap function. You may have overlooked another nice thing.

    Both the snapped programs are still thinking they are maximized, so they don't have the usual additional space wasted above the tabs, which is a really great thing.


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    :) Four or six pixels never meant anything to me. I never understood all the angst about "wasted space" at the top. To each his own. If/when this feature comes to Windows 10 main branch I may play with it, but I have no machine I dare install it on right now. As it stands, I have to carve out a couple hours somewhere to install an older version of 10 on my test laptop - and then remember not to install any more Insider previews on it.

    In the meantime, I will wait for the optimum solution, which focuses, full-size, the tool I want with a single click.

    But, hey! Thanks for the news. Someone might find it quite exciting!



  • @Ayespy:

    :) Four or six pixels never meant anything to me.

    Well I actually measured that space in Operamail and it's 22 pixels.

    A space good for a couple of lines of text a button bar or whatever of useful.

    So yes I can't call it differently than wasted space.

    As it stands, I have to carve out a couple hours somewhere to install an older version of 10 on my test laptop - and then remember not to install any more Insider previews on it.

    Not fair before testing it.


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    I can't test it. Don't you recall? It BRICKED my test laptop. I cannot run the insider version of Windows 10.



  • @Ayespy:

    I can't test it. Don't you recall? It BRICKED my test laptop. I cannot run the insider version of Windows 10.

    I have high doubt that W10 bricked your laptop, likely your laptop/hdd/whatever died by itself while you was trying w10.

    Anyway there are Virtualbox/Vmware/Hyperview, there are the installations inside a VHD, there is always the old school dual boot on different partitions/HDDs.

    All you need is 15/20 GB of free space.


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    You are free to doubt.

    It took five insider versions before Windows 10 was even able to shake hands with my Sony Bios properly to turn the machine off using a software switch. Just before public release it was finally able to turn off using software rather than holding down the power button. It ran fine thru all Windows updates and on my very first attempt to install the latest insider version, it fully installed it, successfully, and then restarted. passed POST, got to the log on screen, and would stay there, running, forever unless I tried to log on. On LOG ON (I have an MS logon on that machine only), it would throw the Driver_IRQL_not_less_or_equal error and restart. This appears to be related to a corrupted network driver file, but it may just be an incompatible one. I re-downloaded and reinstalled the insider version and it continued to do the same thing. I rolled it back to 10557 and now it appears to be OK.

    I've reported the problem to MS.

    From here on in, I am just going to let it do its own cumulative updates until I reach a version with the new snap function, and by the time these versions are mainstreamed, maybe they will have figured out what problem with network drivers is hammering a very small minority of machines.

    This is one of those stupid machines that uses proprietary everything. I have searched the web repeatedly, for instance, to find anyone who has successfully installed ANY flavor of Linux on this model, and have yet to find an example. So I decline to try to put the latest Insider edition on it again, just now. It's working, and I will content myself with that for the moment.


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    So, I looked up the driver filename in the error message (i8042HDR.sys) and got this:

    "There is a rogue Lenovo keyboard driver installed with this build causing a lot of problems on all brands of computers. Can you check Device Manager, Keyboards and see if Lenovo keyboard driver is there (even if you don't use a Lenovo), if so uninstall it. You may have to do this in Safe Mode"

    So, keyboard driver rather than network driver. This gives me a direction I may be able to go to get upgraded to this latest version.



  • @Ayespy:

    You are free to doubt.

    It took five insider versions before Windows 10 was even able to shake hands with my Sony Bios properly to turn the machine off using a software switch.

    Indeed that's a pretty common problem with pre release windows versions (not just W10)

    So I decline to try to put the latest Insider edition on it again, just now. It's working, and I will content myself with that for the moment.

    As I said a test installation on VHD is the fastest and safest way to test a build doubtful build before trying to upgrade the main OS.

    In short

    #1 create a VHD trough the disk manager then doubleclick it to mount it.

    #2 use something like *Dism /apply-image /imagefile:X:\sources\install.wim /index:1 /ApplyDir:Y:*
    (replace X with the drive letter of your install media, Y with the letter assigned to your VHD)
    #3 use EasyBcd to add that installation to the boot menu.

    Finished

    Just reboot and choose the alternate OS.

    When you get bored or satisfied, you can just delete the big VHD file from your main OS and remove the boot item with easyBCD.

    Then, eventually, you can upgrade your main OS.

    The whole process, this way, takes less than 10 minutes on SSD, something more on a platter disk, but surely waaay less than the traditional setup process

    No need to mess with, partitions no, no need to have the PC unusable for many minutes (or hours) during the setup process, the uninstall process is as easy as deleting a single file.


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