Security question



  • Why Vivaldi is closed-source? :unsure:


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    Because that is the choice of the founder of the company. He has never explained this choice, and it is doubtful that he ever will. Everything he has ever developed has been closed source. People have debated endlessly in the forums whether his choice is the "right" one, but our discussions and debates have been an exercise in futility because they have no effect on his decision.



  • Opera 12 was closed source too
    For Vivaldi it won't deny any kind of interface customization since Vivaldi's UI is not compiled
    If you were a Opera 12 user you have no reason to complain about it, since the founder is the same



  • @Clem
    Why do you created the thread as "Security Question"?

    Do you think Vivaldi as Closed Source is insecure?


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    @GinoPerla:

    Opera 12 was closed source too
    For Vivaldi it won't deny any kind of interface customization since Vivaldi's UI is not compiled
    If you were a Opera 12 user you have no reason to complain about it, since the founder is the same

    I am not complaining, of course. I'm just stating a fact, and trying to set realistic expectations. No one should expect that whining endlessly about open source is going to change Jon's mind - and his is the only one that matters, in the end. Vivaldi being closed source doesn't bother me in the least. Users, in my opinion, are free to use it or not and really have no standing to complain it if is or isn't open source. If they imagine that "closed source" is a security risk, they should use open source software.


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    @Gwen-Dragon:

    @Clem
    Why do you created the thread as "Security Question"?

    Do you think Vivaldi as Closed Source is insecure?

    I think open source fanboys, including those who couldn't read a line of code with a gun to their head, imagine that closed source always contains the threat that developers will implant hidden code to spy on them, or that users could detect vulnerabilities and somehow avoid or remediate them if the code were only open. Of course, open source software can also be read, line by line, by a competent hacker, so that exploits are all that much easier to develop.



  • Wanna know the story about the guy who's worried about Vivaldi not being open source and uses Windows, Photoshop and steam? meeeeeh come on guys
    I believe in freedom, I like open source software, I like to edit stuff and on my sourceforge I have a dozen open source projects. That doesn't mean everything should be open though


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    I personally thint open source is great. I don't, however, think it's holy, or innately more secure than closed source.



  • Some people think open source is more secure because you have more people looking for bugs, while some people think closed source can be (not necessarily is) more secure because the bad guys can't look for bugs in it as easily. (The latter is called "security through obscurity").

    Since Vivaldi uses the Blink engine of Chrome, it should be about as secure as Chrome.



  • The main part of Vivaldi come from free projects, I don't understand why is it closed source, why developer CHOOSE to not publish source code.

    Nobody seem able to answer to this question.

    @GinoPerla:

    [ā€¦]That doesn't mean everything should be open though

    @Ayespy:

    I think open source fanboys[ā€¦]

    Do you think closed source is the normal/default distributing method?

    I realize there is a lot of browsers based on blink/chromium but neither is free/open source (exempt chromium himself)

    I'm sad to realize that Firefox is the only one usable free & open source browser.


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    @Clem:

    The main part of Vivaldi come from free projects, I don't understand why is it closed source, why developer CHOOSE to not publish source code.

    Nobody is able to answer to this question.

    @GinoPerla:

    [ā€¦]That doesn't mean everything should be open though

    Do you think closed source is the normal/default distributing method?

    I realize there is a lot of browser based on blink/chromium but neither is free/open source (exempt chromium himself)

    I'm sad to realize that Firefox is the only one usable free & open source browser.

    No one is required to answer this question. It is the choice of the founder of the company, has always been so,

    "Do you think closed source is the normal/default distributing method?"

    For Jon, who founded the company, yes. It is his normal/default distributing method. The vast majority of software in the world is proprietary/closed source. Back in the day, that was basically the only kind of software there was. I realize open source is gaining ground, but is it in no way the expected manner in which everyone is expected to release their software.

    If this is too painful for you to bear, then it's my personal recommendation that you use software which is more comfortable for you to coexist with, rather than spreading your pain and discomfort here, where it will be of benefit to no one, including yourself.



  • I hope that this won't turn into another flamewar.


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