Speedial is very poor



  • It amazes me how after all this time Vivaldi still cannot get a Speed dial page which stores the web captures. I've never come across a browser that hasn't been able to store dials like this one. As I've said before, what's the point in keep ramming in features when the core basics are so poor right now? I noticed the capturing for the dials was supposedly improved but what happened when I tried the browser? Yet again all my dial captures disappeared. Needless to say as usual I ended up removing Vivaldi. Right now you need to focus on the basics and sort out the resource wasting, the browser hammers my processor (i5) compared to all other browsers. I also find the standard font in the browser is very poor and I'd suggest you change it to something similar to Opera's which looks much better. Right now I doubt I'll be moving from super optimized Opera for Vivaldi but if you guys get your act together then who knows.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    Vivaldi is still alpha. so fixing bugs is more important than GUI fluff.
    The Speed Dial is a luxury, and so the team do indeed concentrate on the basics, which prioritise security and stability over slick and shiny.

    If you expect an Alpha to not crash, not hog resources, not to lose all the speed dials, to be secure, to be private, or expect it to resemble a finished product, please feel free to try it again once it reaches Beta.
    Leave early product testing to people that understand what it requires.


  • Moderator

    @Dr.Flay:

    Vivaldi is still alpha. so fixing bugs is more important than GUI fluff.
    The Speed Dial is a luxury, and so the team do indeed concentrate on the basics, which prioritise security and stability over slick and shiny.

    If you expect an Alpha to not crash, not hog resources, not to lose all the speed dials, to be secure, to be private, or expect it to resemble a finished product, please feel free to try it again once it reaches Beta.
    Leave early product testing to people that understand what it requires.

    By accommodating hierarchical folders, integration with bookmarks, and the ability to select ANY folder as speed dial and change at any time, Vivaldi's speed dial is already the most flexible and functional of any out there. As you note, GUI fluff will come later, but already Vivaldi's speed dial DOES what no other can. And that, to me, is the most important thing.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    Yes indeed, it does already go much further than any equivalent in any other browser, so complaining about having more seems rather silly.



  • @unhived:

    It amazes me how after all this time Vivaldi still cannot get a Speed dial page which stores the web captures. I've never come across a browser that hasn't been able to store dials like this one. As I've said before, what's the point in keep ramming in features when the core basics are so poor right now? I noticed the capturing for the dials was supposedly improved but what happened when I tried the browser? Yet again all my dial captures disappeared. Needless to say as usual I ended up removing Vivaldi. Right now you need to focus on the basics and sort out the resource wasting, the browser hammers my processor (i5) compared to all other browsers. I also find the standard font in the browser is very poor and I'd suggest you change it to something similar to Opera's which looks much better. Right now I doubt I'll be moving from super optimized Opera for Vivaldi but if you guys get your act together then who knows.

    Don't compare an alpha software to a stable software, compare alpha to alpha and stable to stable.
    We're just testers.
    Come back when Vivaldi stable will be ready and then compare its speed dial to the one you use in your other browsers



  • @Dr.Flay:

    Vivaldi is still alpha. so fixing bugs is more important than GUI fluff.
    The Speed Dial is a luxury, and so the team do indeed concentrate on the basics, which prioritise security and stability over slick and shiny.

    If you expect an Alpha to not crash, not hog resources, not to lose all the speed dials, to be secure, to be private, or expect it to resemble a finished product, please feel free to try it again once it reaches Beta.
    Leave early product testing to people that understand what it requires.

    It seems too many on here are brand snobs who live in a world of imagination and make believe just because they overly crave a particular set of people i.e old Opera people. I liked the original Opera company but I won't live in an illusion and make excuses for shoddy work. When you talk about Vivaldi creating stability then where have you been for months? Vivaldi have concentrated on features for such a long time and only recently they've attempted a bit more optimization etc. If you think stability is having a speed dial from day one (i.e months) which cannot even store speed dials then there is something wrong with you and thus you have Vivaldi craving goggles smearing rational judgement. It's incredible that when someone rationally highlights concerns with this browser then Vivaldi gogglers will go into double-speak defence mode. Double-speak? Well on the one hand they make out the browser is almost perfect and then on the other hand they use the alpha as an excuse. I know if I'd been writing this browser I'd have made sure the speed dial worked in every way possible. Why make this speed dial more advanced than others but then let it down with poor capturing for months on end and even today no storage of the dials? Using the Alpha as an excuse is just that, an excuse. I suspect Vivaldi will still have speed dial storage issues by the time its called beta. Vivaldi need to get priorities right otherwise we'll be in a never ending test phase. Why? Well if they do some optimizing of what they have now, then what happens? They'll start adding the email and more features which will then cause optimization and bug fixing time frames. Vivaldi is good and I don't doubt they will be great but they're far from perfect so remove the Vivaldi beer goggles and understand what's really going on by using rational thinking. Vivaldi cannot improve with beer goggle users, only rational thinking and help push Vivaldi to where it should be.



  • Now, I seem to recall from another thread that arguing with you is pointless because you eventually just start to repeat yourself. But, y'know, sometimes I just can't resist fanning a good flame war. I apologize to everyone else in advance.

    @unhived:

    It seems too many on here are brand snobs who live in a world of imagination and make believe just because they overly crave a particular set of people i.e old Opera people.

    You say that, but the majority of your posts include a spiel about how great and awesome Opera is, and how everything else pales in comparison. Hypocrisy is a grand thing.

    @unhived:

    I liked the original Opera company but I won't live in an illusion and make excuses for shoddy work.

    If you don't like it, don't use it. Pretty simple.

    @unhived:

    When you talk about Vivaldi creating stability then where have you been for months? Vivaldi have concentrated on features for such a long time and only recently they've attempted a bit more optimization etc.

    We've all been here, testing the Vivaldi releases as they come, with the knowledge that it's alpha software and thus not perfect. We all knew that features we'd want wouldn't necessarily be available to us yet, and that existing features would be buggy and unfinished. If you went into this under the impression that Vivaldi would be ready for general-purpose use, that's your problem.

    @unhived:

    If you think stability is having a speed dial from day one (i.e months) which cannot even store speed dials […]

    No one said that anywhere. Ayespy and Dr.Flay were just remarking at how good the speed dial has been despite how early it was released in the development of Vivaldi. Could there be improvements to the speed dial? Sure. Does it do what it's meant to do? Certainly. Is it more impressive than speed dials in other browsers? That's subjective, but I'd lean toward yes.

    @unhived:

    It's incredible that when someone rationally highlights concerns with this browser then Vivaldi gogglers will go into double-speak defence mode.

    You're accusing others of circular reasoning? You? That's amusing.

    @unhived:

    I know if I'd been writing this browser I'd have made sure the speed dial worked in every way possible.

    If you can do it better, then, by all means do.

    –-----

    One of the last times I replied to you in another thread I noted that you really only seemed to have two complaints about Vivaldi, and that seems to be true to this day. If you're going to continue inciting these kinds of threads, the least you could do is get creative with it :/



  • Now, I seem to recall from another thread that arguing with you is pointless because you eventually just start to repeat yourself. But, y'know, sometimes I just can't resist fanning a good flame war. I apologize to everyone else in advance.

    This isn't about arguing but instead it's about getting Vivaldi on track

    You say that, but the majority of your posts include a spiel about how great and awesome Opera is, and how everything else pales in comparison. Hypocrisy is a grand thing.

    You obviously do not read what I write because whilst right now I'm loyal to Opera, that's because their browser is the best on the market right now for speed and optimization. Not only that but Opera always seem to think about what they're doing so for instance they put a nice audio icon to the left of the tab rather than the right and not only that but they have a nice graphic equalizer not a standard pug ugly audio icon. So whilst Opera keeps working perfect for my needs then of course I will use it. Now if another browser comes along that can achieve what Opera does but maybe with a little more features that come in handy then I may switch over. I've moved browser many times in the past and thus I'm not a brand snob. Opera is my favourite browser right now and I won't have an sissy fit and not use Opera just because it doesn't do something that the old Opera used to. I've come across so many idiots who will miss out on something good and all because one little thing was missing. The same idiots who will then rag on the browser to others and they've no idea how well the browser even works especially as versions go by. Now I've always used the developer version of Opera and it has to be one of the most stable developer browsers out there and I've only had an issue with developer twice in all this time.

    If you don't like it, don't use it. Pretty simple.

    I don't use Vivaldi and yet again the last version was removed from my system as I hate installed software at the best of times. Maybe some people might like a portable version of Vivaldi. Maxthon and Slimjet both release portable versions as well as installations. If Vivaldi was portable I'd leave it on my system but there's no way it's staying installed until it can match or beat Opera. I want Vivaldi to do well and I get the urge to try Vivaldi every few versions even though I download all the versions for both Windows and Linux. I usually get frustrated when I try Vivaldi either by its resource usage or those damn speed dials.

    We've all been here, testing the Vivaldi releases as they come, with the knowledge that it's alpha software and thus not perfect. We all knew that features we'd want wouldn't necessarily be available to us yet, and that existing features would be buggy and unfinished. If you went into this under the impression that Vivaldi would be ready for general-purpose use, that's your problem.

    A feature like Speed dial should be able to save dials permanently, Speed dial has been on Vivaldi for months and so this should have been sorted very quickly. If this happened with Opera Developers most people who scream from the hills but I guess the alpha is the excuse right?

    No one said that anywhere. Ayespy and Dr.Flay were just remarking at how good the speed dial has been despite how early it was released in the development of Vivaldi. Could there be improvements to the speed dial? Sure. Does it do what it's meant to do? Certainly. Is it more impressive than speed dials in other browsers? That's subjective, but I'd lean toward yes.

    I don't care how nice the dials are compared to other browsers, if you cannot save the dials then what's the point? Also I noticed the folders no longer carry the name within the icon so those are even more boring. The folder dials should look like opera and show four screenshots in one box. Even though the Opera folder dials are small I can tell straight away what I'm looking at, but with Vivaldi I have to read text below and If I remember rightly you can remove that text in Vivaldi so you'd be really scuppered without it. So the dials are nice but they're far from perfect and for now Opera still wins in that arena even though their dials don't look as nice in other ways. I personally would like a Yandex style address bar dial system and Opera is now moving in that direction and I just hope they give you more freedom for more dials than Yandex. I should remind you that Avespy is an Opera user.

    You're accusing others of circular reasoning? You? That's amusing.

    I don't wear Vivaldi beer goggles, I'm a rational thinker looking at Vivaldi in the right way and not letting emotions and love for people or a brand get in the way. I'd rather Vivaldi were pushed by rational beings than allowed to sit on the fence because of beer gogglers high on browser hype juice.

    One of the last times I replied to you in another thread I noted that you really only seemed to have two complaints about Vivaldi, and that seems to be true to this day. If you're going to continue inciting these kinds of threads, the least you could do is get creative with it :/

    It would be nice if Vivaldi would bother to fix the speed dials and the lame positioning of the tab audio icon. To wait months and still not see these basics addressed then it gets very frustrating. Why would Vivaldi want to be just like Chrome etc with a lame ass audio icon and in the wrong position? If Vivaldi really wanted to be special they wouldn't let the browser down with such lame efforts in simply areas. It's no good adding something fancy that many might not use but then become lazy about simple but needed things. If Vivaldi can save the speed dial, do the icon audio tab properly, use uncensored Opera extensions instead of google crap and become optimized to Opera standards or close then I will make a move to Vivaldi.



  • Apespy and Tiamarth – Don't bother responding to unhived. He is always negative with any comments or topics concerning Vivaldi. He just stirs up people who want to see this browser become what we know it is now and what it can be.

    If you check out all of his previous posts, there are none that offer Constructive Criticism -- it is all ways negative. Also if you check out his personal website, again all you see are negative posts.

    I would suggest that anything he posts just be ignored.


  • Moderator

    You will note that I did not respond to Unhived. I never do. I did respond to ANOTHER user on this thread, as I sometimes will, But I do not post in response to the self-important ravings of the originator of this thread. I was the one, in fact, who first recommended such a course of action.

    Of course Tiamarth, or anyone, may engage in whatever sort of recreation they chose.



  • I'm not here to stir Vivaldi beer goggle fans, I'm here to hopefully push Vivaldi into sorting out their most obvious problems. Now simply because I'm a fan of the new Opera and admit it then the beer gogglers seem to think I cannot criticize their favourite ALPHA browser they set as default on their computers. It must really hurt that someone can point out flaws with your favourite browser. When Vivaldi gets its act together at some point soon then I will no longer have any complaints and may end up using the browser. Vivaldi can't afford to have mere sheople followers who at most might find a tiny bug here and there, they need people to push them into getting important things corrected like the functionality of the browser. Who cares if website x crashes, it's an alpha right? But I care if the browser itself crashes or doesn't complete a task. If more of the beer gogglers pushed Vivaldi to sort out that speed dial then maybe Vivaldi would've completed the task by now but instead months and months on we still cannot have saved dials stored and only the last two releases have captured dials well. Why do the beer gogglers brag about how good the speed dial is compared to the competition when the competition at least presents their dials when requested. Right now the best speed dial is Opera as it looks reasonable compared to all except Vivaldi but more importantly Opera's dials save well. My only anger at Opera is that we cannot seem to save the dials to a file no more and instead rely on sync or manual. I've asked Vivaldi to also make their speed dial savable to a file.

    Ayespy has often ragged on Opera but he uses the best browser currently available like I do but at least I'm not a hypocrite. The reason characters like Ayespy try to avoid tangling with me is simply because they cannot thought reform me or win any battle as evident in the past. I'm not here to suck up to Vivaldi because I was a fan of the old Opera which after a long time I dumped for Palemoon x64. I'm here to occasionally have a moan about what I dislike on the browser because I'm fed up of getting the itch to try Vivaldi only to be let down time after time by something that hasn't been fixed. When I have to get the geek uninstaller out after five minutes on Vivaldi I get angry because I was excited as installing then let down. I want to keep this browser on my system for longer than 5-10 minutes. I have numerous other browsers on my PC but they're portable files apart from Opera. Right now if I had to choose four browsers to have on my PC it would be OPERA, CyberFox, Maxthon and Palemoon when dealing with Windows. So as you can see I'm not a beer goggler and I used rational thinking. It's very interesting that the gogglers will make Alpha excuses for numerous issues with Vivaldi but they also admit they use the browser as default??? Using Vivaldi in its current state as default shows the beer goggles are on maybe using superglue for added effect. As I've said before I'm not here to give a damn about beer gogglers or anyone else on this forum other than those in Vivaldi who might make a change for the better with their browser. Collectivism isn't appealing so if someone isn't individual then I'd rather they didn't address me. I was the only being who gave Vivaldi a couple of screens of data on what their browser could add and change when they first released the browser, no one else spent as much time as me going through issues so when someone says I've done nothing constructive then it shows the lack of worth and knowledge. I often find if a being shows intellect, rational thinking and can type more than one sentence unlike the collective linguistic minimalism then those collective show signs of fear and anger.



  • No problems with Speed Dial here either. There's always room for refinements later, but there are many other more important features to add and improve before they get around to things like customisable thumbs.

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  • @unhived:

    I'm not here to stir Vivaldi beer goggle fans, I'm here to hopefully push Vivaldi into sorting out their most obvious problems. …

    What you are actually here to do is to push your own agenda for what you think is most important during the early development of a browser - and you want Vivaldi to drop whatever they're doing and alter their development priorities and matrices to match your particular list of priorities. Don't you think other folks on these forums, as well as Vivaldi's devs, are already abundantly aware of the points you keep raising? Don't you read the threads and dev blog comments? Are you suggesting Vivaldi devs simply aren't smart enough to fix your pet issues? My belief and my experience indicate that they'll deal with those things in due time, primarily when it makes sense to apply the necessary effort to kill off those issues without disrupting their entire flow of development of everything else they believe they need to do at this stage. Sure, the things you point out are significant… but so are a lot of other things. Who are you to rant and rave about what Vivaldi "ought" to be doing with a design whose development flow, scheduling, and resource constraints you have not an ounce of insight into? You so obviously have no concept of the real-world nature of an alpha-stage development project that you are really embarrassing yourself here.



  • @Pesala:

    No problems with Speed Dial here either. There's always room for refinements later, but there are many other more important features to add and improve before they get around to things like customisable thumbs.

    There's no problem in making dials to look just like your photo especially as the capture has been improved (only in the last two releases) but the problem is that those dials never store for long and all we end up with is empty dials unless we do a trick found by another user which is very cumbersome especially for multiple dials. Are you trying to tell me you never lose your dials? I use the x64 experimental version for Windows.



  • @Blackbird:

    @unhived:

    I'm not here to stir Vivaldi beer goggle fans, I'm here to hopefully push Vivaldi into sorting out their most obvious problems. …

    What you are actually here to do is to push your own agenda for what you think is most important during the early development of a browser - and you want Vivaldi to drop whatever they're doing and alter their development priorities and matrices to match your particular list of priorities. Don't you think other folks on these forums, as well as Vivaldi's devs, are already abundantly aware of the points you keep raising? Don't you read the threads and dev blog comments? Are you suggesting Vivaldi devs simply aren't smart enough to fix your pet issues? My belief and my experience indicate that they'll deal with those things in due time, primarily when it makes sense to apply the necessary effort to kill off those issues without disrupting their entire flow of development of everything else they believe they need to do at this stage. Sure, the things you point out are significant… but so are a lot of other things. Who are you to rant and rave about what Vivaldi "ought" to be doing with a design whose development flow, scheduling, and resource constraints you have not an ounce of insight into? You so obviously have no concept of the real-world nature of an alpha-stage development project that you are really embarrassing yourself here.

    I don't think I'm embarrassing myself by asking Vivaldi to improve the main browser performance. I just don't see the point in making a speed dial and a decent one at that only to spoil it for months on end with what I would expect is something not that difficult to fix. It took months to be able to capture a full dial and I hope it's not going to take more months just to store a dial. We''re hearing Vivaldi talking about soon being at beta stage and yet it still cannot perform a speed-dial need for the users. I just cannot comprehend why people think it's more important to throw features into a browser than fix what you already have let alone something as important as a speed dial which hits you almost from the start of the browser. Vivaldi are old and new school Opera people and considering Opera has almost always done everything right almost from the get go then I cannot see why Vivaldi can let itself down on simply tasks. Why have a speed dial without allowing it as either the home button or having its own separate button as in Opera? What I'm trying to say is that whilst fancy features are fun they're not always as important as the simplest ideas and its just a fact that so far Opera has always been spot on with the simplest ideas that work so well. If the speed dial was working then I would stand more chance of using it as a default browser if the resource usage was better. I have no agenda, some said I worked for Opera, well ask Opera if they employee internet users to promote their browser, they've been laying important people off so don't hold your breath. My only wish is to see Vivaldi come to a standard of operation with the browser that Opera has or close to it. I'm open to a new browser and always will be if something is better. I just cannot over hype something or forgive something just because of a name or a clan of past browser creators. If Vivaldi produce the goods then I will give them as much credit as I give Opera over others maybe more. If that happens I'll get the same crap again by others claiming I'm a paid Vivaldi cheerleader. Brand snobbery is very belittling to those who do it for the wrong reasons. I'm not going to buy Nike sneakers just because you like them, I only want them if they work and suit my needs. Brand snobbery is what is ruining competition.



  • For me, SpeedDial works. One small feature I would like to have is a possibility to select the size of the SpeedDial Buttons.



  • @ OP
    Get Well Soon



  • @ThomasMo I would also like to see them scale because I don't like to have to scroll it… that said it's not really a dealbreaker.


  • Moderator

    @TurkishCoffee:

    @ThomasMo I would also like to see them scale because I don't like to have to scroll it… that said it's not really a dealbreaker.

    Greater flexibility in both the size of the speed dials and the number of columns is sure to come along, in keeping with the overall goal of the browser.


  • Vivaldi Translator

    Software is always Alpha or Beta at a developers discretion, and nobody that understands Alpha status will be claiming it is perfect in any way.
    Only the fans that don't read instructions will be claiming any such nonsense.
    You know the ones. The ones that comment on each new Alpha or Beta of anything with "Awesome, this is the best news ever", because they don't understand the responsibility and problems of being a tester.
    All they want is something newer, or with a bigger number, or more exclusive, than their friends.
    None of them will ever use the official bug reporting systems, and just post in blog comments or forums, always forgetting to write the useful info that is required.
    Here is a good example. Vivaldi have https://vivaldi.com/bugreport/
    It is the only way I report bugs here, as forum posts create extra unnecessary admin, and means the devs have to try to read threads, when they should be working on the next ticket.

    I wish we would just go back to the days of Alphas being closed projects, and the Beta being what the public get to play with (like the Avira "Scout" browser is being done. Much more sensible bug reporting there).
    We also seem to have abandoned the traditional "It is not v1 until it is out of Beta".
    Becoming v1 used to be a big deal to the authors, and it was a day of pride.
    Now the lines are blurred,

    Vivaldi is trying to build a stable framework, but also adding the features that users demand at the same time.
    Each time they add a new feature, a new problem is very, very, likely to happen, because the framework is not yet stable.
    The public are just getting to see what software developers and testers have to put up with, and they don't like it.

    You will know when they will be considering Beta, because this forum will have less angry people shouting their demands.
    That will be because it is finally reasonably stable for most people, and will have all the main features and most of the minor features.
    Depending on how things go, a Beta stage could easily take another year, although at the rate Vivaldi are adding features there won't be much to do but test and fix during Beta, so maybe it could be less than 6 months.

    My primary browser is Opera 12 for basic browsing (forums and media streams), and Firefox for secure or logged-in browsing.
    I only use Vivaldi and Avira Scout for "testing" purposes, because they are not ready to be trusted for primary use.
    Avira browser was only offered to the public once it reached Beta, so it is faster and more stable (by a huge margin).
    However it came out of closed Alpha very fast, because they could concentrate on the framework first, and now features are being added through Beta, so they will also have a long Beta stage.
    Depending on how things turn out I may still be happily using Firefox for many years to come, and either Vivaldi, or Scout will be my second browser.
    Chromium does not allow certain functionality that is very important, so certain security extensions / features are not possible.

    Oh BTW. Any time the speed dial is empty for me, I just restart Vivaldi to get them back, but experience will vary to mine and it may only work for some.


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