How we learn from the past
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@catweazle: Interestingly this was the original response to the Spanish flu in Iceland as well. Partly because it had been there before without making much damage. However, it changed and it made a lot of damage killing somewhere between 20 and 50 million people.
Likely it is better to do things early, rather than wait. Most of those waiting have had to do even more later. I am not saying that every action taken by every government is prudent and right. I do not have the knowledge, but I do believe it is important to stop this virus.
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@jon , of course, this measures in this case are undoubtedly necessary, I just ask why it is not done in much more serious epidemics as well.
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@Catweazle I think in the case of seasonal flu it is because you can get vaccinated, and when there is that kind of immunity, isolation is not useful.
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@LonM said in How we learn from the past:
@Catweazle I think in the case of seasonal flu it is because you can get vaccinated, and when there is that kind of immunity, isolation is not useful.
Yes, but as I said before, even so, the normal flu claims 100 times more lives than COVID 19 and it would therefore be logical to act similarly.
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@harrygrey thanks for this great translation. I have copied and published here as well: https://de.vivaldi.net/was-lernen-wir-von-der-vergangenheit/
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@catweazle: I am no expert on flu. I know a lot of people take flu shots. That being said, it is still early days for COVID 19 and claiming it claims 100 times less lives than flu is a dangerous comparison. The flu has a death rate of 0,1%, which is clearly high. This virus seems to have a death rate much higher than that, more than 10X. There is also the risk of the the virus mutating, which it already has. There are two major strands already. I would urge caution on this matter and not belittle the consequences. Hopefully we will manage to stop it early and not have it rebound, like the Spanish flu did.
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@catweazle: Lethality rate is key. For seasonal flu it is .1%. For COVID-19 it so far appears to be between 1% and 2%, ten to twenty times as lethal.
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However, precautions are important and we will need for simple solidarity, not only for people in the risk group (Older people with a pulmonary and coronary history), but also thinking about the health personnel who have to work with scarce personnel and material, due to the large influx of people and lack Medical supplies.
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@lonm: Unfortunately there are a great many of us that cannot receive a flu vaccine.
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The SARS outbreak of 2003-04 had an greater than 15% death rate were I was located. I had to to work each day. I did what I had to do and lived my life as best I could. Will do the same for this outbreak. I do not (cannot) go out much so that is a blessing. But panic and hoarding seems much worse.
SARS was also part of the COVID strain (SARS COV-2) though from a different source I believe.
We did learn a lot from SARS, let us hope we have not forgotten what we learned.
@jon Many Thanks for that historical information. Without this platform we'd never have known. -
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Let us all hope and pray that the covid-19 pandemic is short lived.
Good to hear that Vivaldi is showing wisdom in allowing the "miracle workers"
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@Gwen-Dragon , I'm sorry to hear it. Well be careful and especially not to touch your face without washing your hands first, this is the best way to avoid contagion. This also applies to the annual flu. As he said Virologist in the video I left, annual flu also always carried 15% coronavirus, and vaccines only target some of the viruses that cause the flu.This is why the flu has these fatalities, despite vaccines.Take care, please.
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@Gwen-Dragon It is not unusual for people to be dumb about science.
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@Catweazle Could you tell us what the title of the video was, maybe it can be found elsewhere.
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@Gwen-Dragon , at least in the town where I am, the people so far have been very disciplined, keep distance in the lines, wear gloves in the supermarket and there are very few trips.
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@Gwen-Dragon Thanks. Yeah that's the one I've been watching the past few minutes
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@catweazle: Yeah. It's not a flu.
If nothing is done, we are looking at between 12 and 78 millions deaths.
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@catweazle: Coronavirus is the family of the virus. SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus. Covid-19 is the disease caused by the virus (SARS-CoV-2 is to HIV what Covid-19 is to AIDS)
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@Cqoicebordel said in How we learn from the past:
@catweazle: Yeah. It's not a flu.
If nothing is done, we are looking at between 12 and 78 millions deaths.
Hysteria is never useful. But we must take stronger measures than just good hygiene.In all serious and highly contagious diseases there are many millions of deaths if the indicated measures are not taken. Covid is transmitted in a similar way as the flu and therefore similar precautions, such as isolation from infected people, are shown to be efficient. Large crowds, often disinfecting surfaces and items of public access, wear gloves in stores, and avoid touching your face without washing your hands well beforehand. This and more is already doing in Spain, apart from important economic and social measures, to avoid business bankruptcy, unemployment, pause mortgages and credits, prohibition to cut energy supplies due to non-payment , care for the elderly, food aid and care for the poor, etc. to avoid a social and economic bankruptcy caused by this pandemic.
Above all, awareness campaigns for the population, where the need for certain precautionary measures is explained and what can and cannot be done, since ignorance is the main causing the infection, as Gwen said with what happens in Bavaria.