Vivaldi mail client



  • Mulberry mail is the best mail client I used ever; I'm still using it on Linux and Win8. Mulberry is, now, open source and I think it could be the best start for the new Vivaldi mail client. Ask Cyrus Daboo for help.



  • @stilgarwolf:

    Mulberry mail is the best mail client I used ever; I'm still using it on Linux and Win8.
    Mulberry is, now, open source and I think it could be the best start for the new Vivaldi mail client.
    Ask Cyrus Daboo for help.

    1 - There's already an email client in Vivaldi, the devs are working on it.
    Why should they start again?
    2 - This client wouldn't fit their needs anyway if it's compiled ( and I stronly believe it is ), since Vivaldi is based on modern technologies (the web built within the web)
    3 - The interface is not user friendly and looks very dated



  • Well, no real opinion about what is or is not currently the best email client (I tried may of theme, but none convinced me fully), but I'd like to know if it is planned in the mail client to allow through preferences to choose a specific folder/tree to store the email data files ?
    In case of system crash and separate partition it allow a quick recovery of info, and in case of file synchronisation and offline work it also allow the portability from a machine to another with ease.
    Regards,



  • Integrated email client was my hope when I saw the news that a "opera 12" like browser was out.

    I really miss the browser integration, the capacity to manage / search huge amount of mail and the hierarchical labbeling/tagging instead of folder.

    just had a look at 1.3, does not seems to be part of it….

    M.



  • Personally I never understood the attraction of an integrated mail client, but to each his own I guess.

    But I'd definitely prefer if Vivaldi made it in house. At least we'd know it would play nice with the browser.

    To me such a thing would be totally useless bloat. I'm sad to hear it's coming.

    Couldn't it be made modular? Ie, "check this box if you want email in your nice clean Vivaldi" at install time. Ah well, a guy can dream.



  • Mulberry mail is the best mail client I used ever; I'm still using it on Linux and Win8.

    This program is 9 years old! No way.

    Strange layout.
    Attachments:



  • @KimmoJ:

    Couldn't it be made modular? Ie, "check this box if you want email in your nice clean Vivaldi" at install time. Ah well, a guy can dream.

    It's funny that the "bloat" and "would be better modular" things are coming out yet again… :lol:

    This was said again and again and again and again about Opera with M2.

    And Harvaard responded again and again and again and again that:

    1. the "bloat" on your disk was a couple of hundred KB library file

    2. if you didn't use mail then the "bloat" when running was 0% since IT WAS NEVER LOADED INTO MEMORY

    3. if it was made modular THEN the bloat to your system would be a whole bunch of new stuff added to make the browser interface with the mailer - even if you never used mail!

    The thing about M2 was that all the UI, networking and filesystem stuff were already in the browser... so it was much more efficient to "build it in"!



  • Mail was a big part of Opera's usage for me. In fact, I still have Opera 12 with all my mail accounts (literally over a decade of email for dozens of accounts) in there and use it every single day for all my email.

    Because it was "one program" to go on the Internet, browse, do IRC, RSS, check mail, click links, etc. it's a working pattern that's hard to get out of.

    However, the reason I'm still on Opera 12 is that ALL of these other programs (and I used to be a Pegasus Mail user for many years, if you want to talk about antiquated interfaces) make my usage patterns suffer, whereas Opera and its SQLite database, instant narrow-search and simple multiple account support made life wonderful. And all in one big "This is the Internet" window that you could Alt-Tab away from in one click.

    The problem I have now is that there is NO viable alternative for moving that setup. That email is sitting in that SQLite database, in a program I'm familiar with, and it's difficult to move out of that. It's not even a question of moving into the 21st Century, either - I use any number of other programs and modern setups and run my own mailservers (and, sorry, no way am I plugging POP or IMAP information into a third-party webmail hosted on remote servers to let them collect my mail), but the best by my choice is Opera.

    And now, Facebook has started to give me outdated browser warnings, BBC iPlayer gives me the same, all the sites are starting to make my integrated browsing, email, RSS, etc. not be integrated any more. That means I'm being forced to find an alternative. browser and - as such - mail client. Having Opera "just do mail" and using something else as a browser puts me back to square one, but there is no viable integrated alternative.

    Vivaldi, for me, have completely missed the boat on this. Instead we've had any number of "stable" updates with minor tweaks and pontifications on what is basically Chrome. Though I use Vivaldi every day (it's installed on my primary work machine as my primary browser), I can't see what's there over Chrome and I'm someone who paid for the early versions of Opera and stuck with it right through to 12. What I have is a Chrome clone (Vivaldi) at work, and at home I have a broken Opera and a working Chrome.

    Vivaldi really need to prioritise this more, as to everyone I show they see nothing more than a Chrome clone, which is why I avoided Opera past version 12. And now that the last decent version of Opera is being forced out of the running, I can't see any alternative to move to, which means a change in working practices, which ultimately means that Vivaldi vs Chrome needs to happen, and I can't honestly see it falling Vivaldi's way if I'm looking for long-term compatibility. It took nearly a year to support Chrome extensions like Cast properly.

    I'm honestly afraid that I'm weeks away from having to change browser to continue browsing and if I do go non-Vivaldi, it's going to be because of mail, and it's going to mean that integrated mail dies. At that point, there's very little left to distinguish Vivaldi from its competitors.

    I have 50Gb of mailboxes, and I'm not going to be transferring that lot more than once. I take backups, I've beta-tested software as part of my job for everyone from educational suppliers to Serif. But not having any form of mail client, even a "THIS WILL CORRUPT YOUR DATA" version, 18 months after the first browser beta is really galling. If the worst happens, I restore the original database. But having no forward path from Opera from browsing made me turn to alternatives and having no forward path from integrated mail makes me look to alternatives, and Vivaldi's alternative isn't available to me in any shape or form to see if it's even vaguely workable.

    Honestly, if I reach the point where my working practice for email and web is separate, I'll just get around to webmailling my accounts directly on my mailserver and sticking with Chrome to access it. It'll be a sad day but, as the current practice stands, I have no other choice as all paths leads to either two apps (in which case there are comparable email-only clients and browsers) or to web-access to email (which I did for many years on Hotmail and GMail - which has tagging, filtering, and lots of in-browser integration - and moved only because I want my email under my control).

    Come on, Vivaldi. Release a limited "ALPHA THIS WILL EAT YOUR DATA" preview of the email client. Themes and colour pickers just don't represent the kind of progressive features that Opera was famed for.



  • Some lucky people seem to have been picked by the hand of God to test the ALPHA THIS WILL EAT YOUR DATA mailer for some months already, judging by a couple of the comments I've seen on the forum.

    Like you, I've been stuck with O12 all this time and the promise of mail was my main driver to Vivaldi - a year and a half ago already! - so it seems desperately unfair that users like us haven't been allowed to play with it yet… :(


  • Moderator

    @ledow:

    Come on, Vivaldi. Release a limited "ALPHA THIS WILL EAT YOUR DATA" preview of the email client.

    No, we wont give you such version.
    A alpha mail client which may "eat up" data on PC and mailserver is not for regular people, loosing mails on a mailserver is a no-go!


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