How we stand up to giants



  • @fseng said in How we stand up to giants:

    Why or who decided to auto-close tabs in the background while not in use for a while!?

    Tabs are never closed, they are, however, hibernated to save RAM and CPU cycles. See Hibernating Tabs and Lazy Loading in the help file.


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    @pafflick: There are roughly 5000 feature requests in total in our bugreport system, while developing those we also have to keep the browser stable/fix bugs. With a small team that'll go slow, as we grow, more developers = more stuff done ofc. But there are also features that we can't add / are too much work for too little gain / too troublesome to add (atleast yet). But we try to add as much cool stuff that our users recommend as possible, imo 🙂


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    @pesala: I wonder, is there any way to disable hibernation entirely or for select tabs? I haven't experienced the issue outlined above as my usecase usually doesn't involve working with many tabs but I assume what is happening is that after a certain point the engine has a mechanism to hibernate the tabs by itself (to free up cpu cycles/ Ram). This is what fseng is trying to prevent.



  • @pesala: I've said it was a rhetorical question.

    I know what exactly is going on & it's simply WRONG. I don't need any saving or RAM etc. I want my tabs as they are.

    Last time, for instance, I had 83 tabs open, came hours later & only had 13 open & yes 70 were closed not hibernating. Reopening closed tabs only goes so far maybe 15 more or so & then can't reopen.



  • @fseng said in How we stand up to giants:

    70 were closed not hibernating

    If so, that would be a bug, not by design.

    Please see How to Report a Bug

    This link is now on the Help menu, Report a Bug.



  • Congrats, live long Vivaldi!



  • Firstly, kudos to Vivaldi team! When Opera died I began using Firefox and had to use many extensions, since the browser is bare bones. Then, when I switched to Vivaldi I didn't need that amount of extensions.
    But one thing that it lagged behind was sessions support. The Firefox extension was far better. I posted a request to improve it and had no answer and even today the sessions functionality is still under-powered. So, IMHO communication with users could be improved.
    All in all, Vivaldi is an amazing browser and I'm glad we power users have it.



  • @AlesPG better this way (or you have realized you were wrong and deleted it) because the things you were saying about "unique Opera innovations" were laughable.
    To name those that you've mentioned 1 by 1:

    • Opera's VPN is not a true VPN but rather a proxy and it isn't a true no-log.
    • Opera's VPN is feeding data into Facebook “Your Off-Facebook Activity”, so there goes your privacy and company that does not lie in your face.
    • Picture in Picture (or video pop-up) is a Chromium feature just Opera jumped on it before everyone else to show off it's theirs, just like they did with the dark theme that applies to all Chromium based browsers, naming it "the coming of Jesus, R3", and releasing it one or two months before everyone else. Of course now that Chromium has changed the code for PiP they are using Chromium's. Why really if it was their own... innovation.
    • Native ad-blocker, besides being an old Opera Presto feature, is inferior, contains exceptions to various sites like amazon, facebook, google, the places that are practically advertised in their Speed Dial, that the common user is not aware of.
    • "Workspaces" like you said, a visual thing that exists in Vivaldi from the beginning (Ctrl+Tab) or holding right-mouse click and mouse scroll.
    • Edit snapshots, an...innovation (of 2017) that they copied from Microsoft Edge (2015).
    • Switching between light & dark theme, what an innovation... also coming years after Vivaldi which offers unlimited themes.
    • Currency and copy pop-ups, laughable "innovations", there are dozens of better innovations in Google's Chrome Extensions like that.

    Their only innovation is how to exploit poor souls in Africa by lending them money with predatory "colonial" interest rates to patch their constantly bleeding money holes in case you haven't heard. https://hindenburgresearch.com/opera-phantom-of-the-turnaround/ and are in big trouble as we speak INVESTOR ALERT: Kirby McInerney LLP Announces That a Class Action Lawsuit Has Been Filed Against Opera Limited



  • @npro shheeeeessshh!

    I knew that the Opera management post-Jon sold its soul to the devil, but I didn't realise it was that bad!





  • I retired Opera when it underwent its change of ownership. I love Vivaldi, but can I pour a splash of cold water over this encomium? When Vivaldi gets a Master Password it becomes my main browser; but not until then.

    P.S. I note further on up this thread that somebody was complaining about the name "Vivaldi"......hey ho....personally I like the brand name (and the eponymous composer, although he's more than a bit over-ubiquitous), but even those who don't should give thanks they didn't decide to call it "Brave".....#Disclaimer# other shit brand names are in circulation.....



  • I like the classical music theme branding. It suggests class. Vivaldi's music is vivacious and innovative.



  • @J1984 said in How we stand up to giants:

    P.S. I note further on up this thread that somebody was complaining about the name "Vivaldi"......hey ho....personally I like the brand name (and the eponymous composer, although he's more than a bit over-ubiquitous), but even those who don't should give thanks they didn't decide to call it "Brave".....#Disclaimer# other shit brand names are in circulation.....

    Agreed, personally although a former user from 1998 to 2015? I never liked the name Opera, I think between the 2 I prefer the name Vivaldi way more.



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    @fseng said in How we stand up to giants:

    @pesala: I've said it was a rhetorical question.

    I know what exactly is going on & it's simply WRONG. I don't need any saving or RAM etc. I want my tabs as they are.

    Last time, for instance, I had 83 tabs open, came hours later & only had 13 open & yes 70 were closed not hibernating. Reopening closed tabs only goes so far maybe 15 more or so & then can't reopen.

    As @Pesala said, this would be a bug. Tabs are never closed automatically. Even more, hibernation (which doesn't close tabs, as you seem to know) only happens if your computer is running low on RAM (as far as I'm aware), and is done in order to prevent massive slowdown of the system.

    I don't think I've ever seen Vivaldi close tabs without input from me. Sounds like a very rare issue.



  • Guys, your work is appreciated. Be blessed.



  • @komposten: I know what hibernation is, don't know where you got the idea from otherwise.

    "is done in order to prevent massive slowdown of the system." that should my choice to do which I do anyways because guess what?

    Even with all of this supposed "safe guards" Vivaldi still slows down the system sometimes & then I need to kill off all of its processes same with chrome using the command line (taskkill ...)

    So, the issue of a program slowing down the whole system is actually dealt with by the user in the end! That's a layer of concern that shouldn't be a focus ...

    Same with Chrome, they say they are the fastest browser but maybe efficient but not fastest & freezes up many times etc. So, I'm now just used to using taskkill which is fine & reopen closed tabs again because the system is a concern dealt with by the user

    These issues are a result of the system design decisions (like the multi-process architecture) ...

    Are they the most efficient/best? maybe & maybe not because from a browser's stand point it add more stability but from a system stand point it demand more resources

    I am a developer by the way & wished if someone from Vivaldi responded


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    @fseng said in How we stand up to giants:

    @komposten: I know what hibernation is, don't know where you got the idea from otherwise.

    I didn't mean to suggest that you don't know these things. This is why I said "as you seem to know", but maybe I could have re-worded it a bit to be more clear.

    "is done in order to prevent massive slowdown of the system." that should my choice to do which I do anyways because guess what?

    Even with all of this supposed "safe guards" Vivaldi still slows down the system sometimes & then I need to kill off all of its processes same with chrome using the command line (taskkill ...)

    So, the issue of a program slowing down the whole system is actually dealt with by the user in the end! That's a layer of concern that shouldn't be a focus ...

    Well, I am happy that Vivaldi auto-hibernates tabs when my system runs low on RAM. I use Linux on my laptop and have very little swap available, so when RAM and swap runs out Linux either freezes or has to kill processes randomly (in order to avoid freezing). Automatic tab hibernation has saved me many times there.

    You say that it is "dealt with by the user in the end" and that might be true for you. But it will not be true for less tech-savvy users out there who might not understand what RAM is, what happens when you run out of RAM, or how you can check how much RAM is used and how you can free it up. Automatic tab hibernation will probably save them from a lot of massive computer slowdowns.

    In the end, I think this is very much down to user preference. It would definitely be nice if we had options to configure it, and even disabling it if we want to (browser-wide or just for individual tabs). That way we could both be happy.
    I would guess, though, that hibernation is inherited from Chromium and that the Vivaldi team has not spent time on improving it so far.

    I am a developer by the way & wished if someone from Vivaldi responded

    It would, indeed, be interesting to see what the Vivaldi team has to say about hibernation. If they have any plans for making it configurable. 🙂



  • drop everything you are working on and allocate all resources to finishing the integrated e-mail client kthxb



  • Thanks for great browser, you should find a way to reach more users because I didnt know Vivaldi until very now and I am a good internet user.


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