Is the browser war really a goat rodeo?


  • Community Manager

    The Verge has an interesting article out today and we'd like to know if you agree with the following thought?

    The Verge article:
    The browser wars are back, but it's different this time
    It’s about privacy, not marketshare


  • Ambassador

    I highlight this part of the article :

    The new Browser Wars aren't about who makes the fastest or best browser, they're about whose services you want and whose data policies you trust.

    And I declare that TODAY it's hard to know which service to trust on the web.



  • The Verge has a lot of great articles, but man, that stupid half-page blocking GDPR-paranoia style cookie warning, which is also impossible to close without "accepting" cookies, means I will never want to use it regularly.

    And I have absolutely no interest in that ChromEdgeium thing .


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    @Nlope said in Is the browser war really a goat rodeo?:

    I highlight this part of the article :

    The new Browser Wars aren't about who makes the fastest or best browser, they're about whose services you want and whose data policies you trust.

    And I declare that TODAY it's hard to know which service to trust on the web.

    On the web I don't trust my own shadow

    PD @Pathduck , it is a real idiocy these cookie advices and then you get cookies anyway, yes or yes, if you do not block them, but with this extension at least you save having to see this warning.


  • Ambassador

    @Catweazle give me some privacy tips later 🙂



  • I like this quote from the article:
    "The deep irony is that long ago, Microsoft’s Internet Explorer nearly broke the web because it demanded custom code from web developers."

    However, I don't agree on the main point of the article, that it's about privacy this time around. It's still all about market-share, no matter if the big companies say they "take privacy seriously". Us technical folks might say we care deeply about it - sometimes to the point of tinfoil-hat paranoia - but for the vast majority of web users (talking about Chrome's 70% market share here), privacy is not something they care about, or even know exists on the web... Convenience and usability trumps everything.

    The new Edge is just a way for MS to try and take back some of that market share (and save some development cost) by introducing their own integrated search engine, news feed, social media integration and (most importantly) tracking tech into a browser that comes pre-installed on all their controlled devices.

    The big companies may tell us sweet little lies about how much they care about privacy, but in the end it's still about the bottom line and maximising profit for the share-holders who hold all the power.



  • While I agree the next "battle ground" will be privacy, I do not really think it will be as big a deal as the browser wars of the past. Much like @Pathduck I think they will talk the talk but really just try to hide their own tracking and data sharing so as to maximize a revenue stream. Then they will try to claim they are more secure than the others.

    At this point I think most users, even tech types, are used to things being "free" and do not really think about the true price. I also get the feeling from watching friends and family that they just stick to what they have been using; it works for them. They are not looking for something better or trying a different browser once in while but they will listen though, I got my son and some coworkers to start using Vivaldi. In fact I learned about Vivaldi from a friend when it first launched, I tried it and switched from Opera to Vivaldi. I still try other browsers once in a while just to see how things are compared to Vivaldi, especially after that browser has a major change, but I happily keep coming back.

    I feel that the next browser war will not be a war, but more like a series of marketing campaigns. Who can convince more users that their browser offers better privacy, security, and cool features. Of course like any good marketing campaign get it moving by word of mouth.


  • Ambassador

    I'm sorry. I found this article to be for all intent and purposes...useless. What the author failed to address is any browser war at all. It was a comparison of Edge v Chrome. Chrome has the market share. Neither has the abilities that Vivaldi offers. Vivaldi leads. Chrome and the rest play catch-up.

    I no longer have Firefox installed. My Chrome install is there for a few bookmarks which never migrated to Vivaldi.
    I use Vivaldi and only Vivaldi.



  • Honestly, MS doesn't have a history of making it's money by selling your information. As long as that is the debate, Google (or Facebook or Amazon) has already lost. Does that mean I trust MS? About as far as I could throw their building (they actually do own a building here in town).

    I trust Vivaldi, and even Opera, more than MS, Apple or any of the big names. Not that that is saying all that much, honestly. (Trusting almost anyone more than MS is pretty much a given, the fact FB and Amazon don't qualify is the notable part.)



  • just a series of battles.
    Not sure a browser war ever existed as the end goal does not seem clear.

    I just choose my weapon and browse.



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  • Ambassador

    @sgunhouse , MS, especially now in W10, also uses telemetry and user tracking, if it is not disabled.
    But unlike Google, they do not have the need to sell this data to third parties, since their business model is different and is based on the software they sell and not exactly cheap. Only for the Office goes a minimum of € 150.
    Adding from what they charge the advertisers in the MS Store, where they don't even have qualms about charging even for FOSS applications.
    But yeah, more private than Google they are.


  • Ambassador

    @Pathduck Try Reader View. The article is easy to read without that cookie warning blocking the page. Only one thing I noticed was the odd Drop Cap at the start of the paragraph:

    IfIf you weren’t convinced



  • That Verge article was deeply dissatisfying. All the talk of windoze, microsoft, edge, chrome, google, mobile browsing... all irrelevant to me, all of zero interest to me. Secure private versatile customisable personalised desktop browsing on Linux is the beginning & end of it for me. I kept waiting for the article to start, to stop its self-indulgent foreplay & actually say something of merit, then bam, it had finished... yet never actually said anything of substance. Does that writer get paid by the word, with no other kpi like quality or relevance?



  • @Steffie I tend not to give individual articles any sort of creedence.They are generally an opinion of one person which is hardly conclusive of a softwares ability.

    majority concensus is the way to go and if a software can be proven to be either good or bad by a large majority then it should be considered bad or good.



  • @Priest72 said in Is the browser war really a goat rodeo?:

    majority concensus is the way to go

    Hmmm, lowest common denominator outcomes are frequently highly sub-optimal with respect to technical & other merit, ethics, efficacy, humanity... A quick glance around the rock, both hemispheres, provides ample proof of this, sadly unfortunately & tragically.


  • Ambassador

    A browser is always defined by the experience and needs of each user. It is logical that comparisons, like those I read the other day in a newspaper, which only compared Edge, Chrome and Firefox, in view of fifty browsers that exist, cannot be objective and in many cases interested.
    As with any software and also in other things, I always stay with the saying 'Search, compare and if you find something better, use it'
    There is only this and why I stay with Vivaldi since v.1.



  • I find those tests spurious and inaccurate at best.
    what machines are those tests performed on etc.

    I wonder how much google "invests" in those pwn2own contests.?.
    Chrome is an awful browser but that is my opinion and in my own tests.
    Vivaldi is the best browser i have used here on my measly 32bit 2gb laptop and it flies.

    Personal choice is what matters and i have chosen what i believe is a better browser than chrome or firefox.


  • Ambassador

    The article was, in my wee mind a blatant promotional article to get users to get and use edge. As said, all of today's browsers are coded specifically for Chrome or Safari’s Webkit instead of following web standards. Bold is my own. The author said something else.
    Is that not why V chose to change the UA?

    Same in the Opera < 13 days. If you asked a developer to have his site render properly in Opera also, their eyes would glaze over. Been there, done that, the tee-shirt is worn out.

    I am slowly de-googling myself. Never use the search, don't use the drive or the sheets anymore and trying to get my email here. The only issue is MS (hotmail) doesn't seem to accept emails from Vivaldi.

    The only tracking issues that really bother me are those ubiquitous fb, twitter, pinterest, etc icon trackers on almost every page I visit.
    Deleting that part of history on Tab closure would be ideal (for me anyway).

    Sticking with the capital V.
    Pardon my rather lengthy thoughts on the issue



  • @greybeard Only a scotsman would use the term "wee"..my mother is from jockland too lol.


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