How to choose a browser in 2020





  • @yankovalski It can if you post your wish as Feature Request and get sufficient Upvotes.



  • If you are a user of Opera 12, then there is nothing to choose besides VivaldiπŸ˜‰
    I have been using Opera since 2005, but Opera is not the same product anymore, so three years ago I switched to Vivaldi.
    Other browsers did not even consider.


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    @Igor_VL said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    If you are a user of Opera 12, then there is nothing to choose besides VivaldiπŸ˜‰
    I have been using Opera since 2005, but Opera is not the same product anymore, so three years ago I switched to Vivaldi.
    Other browsers did not even consider.

    In Android, Exodus show me 11 trackers in Opera browser, Vivaldi 0.



  • @Igor_VL said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    If you are a user of Opera 12, then there is nothing to choose besides VivaldiπŸ˜‰
    I have been using Opera since 2005, but Opera is not the same product anymore, so three years ago I switched to Vivaldi.
    Other browsers did not even consider.

    I finally switched at home a few days ago. At work - I'm still using Opera 12 because nothing else has RSS.

    My sysadmins probably think I'm crazy. I'm in an IT company, I'm in IT myself, and I'm still using O12 in 2020.



  • Well Firefox has just released version 72 in which they block fingerprinting scripts by default for all users, and the recent problem with 1st party trackers that Chromium API can't block still concern Vivaldi, so you need to do more in those aspects (privacy and tracking) if you don't want to lose to Firefox and Brave which are your real competitors.



  • @Pinkmeister said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    @Igor_VL said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    If you are a user of Opera 12, then there is nothing to choose besides VivaldiπŸ˜‰
    I have been using Opera since 2005, but Opera is not the same product anymore, so three years ago I switched to Vivaldi.
    Other browsers did not even consider.

    I finally switched at home a few days ago. At work - I'm still using Opera 12 because nothing else has RSS.

    My sysadmins probably think I'm crazy. I'm in an IT company, I'm in IT myself, and I'm still using O12 in 2020.

    Me too - I have kept O12 at home for the mail (still waiting for the promised Vivaldi mail client...) and when using Vivaldi for everything else, I sorely miss being able to keep up with news without opening and manually checking a bunch of webpages every couple of hours.

    To be honest, as RSS is now quite old and not at all mainstream, I'm surprised that most of my old sites and podcasts still support it! When (not if?) Vivaldi supports RSS it might be a good idea to build in some kind of system or service to generate feeds from websites which don't natively provide them. I guess it should be possible by loading the site every X minutes and comparing for differences in links to other content (filtering ads, obviously).


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    @mossman I use Opera 12 for the mail, too. πŸ™‚
    Vivaldi will use RSS, there's no doubt about that, it's only a matter of time as for M3.


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    @folgore101 said:

    @mossman I use Opera 12 for the mail, too.
    Vivaldi will use RSS, there's no doubt about that, it's only a matter of time as for M3.

    Indeed. We are getting closer each day now.



  • @npro: yes version 72... Honestly, if I want to fix privacy and tracking "issues", i am able to do that with a few clicks and some tools. But to fix the extraordinarily miserable interface or to make the ugly sitemenu go away I get no tool a hand... There a other issues, just to name one: The cookie manager. Nothing is better than work with that kind of disturbing and unpleasant cookie manager with a weirdo design. I am not sure if they are testing things before rolling them out... 😁 However I'd rather consider installing and using Opera 12 like @mossman our IT guy 😍😍 🀣 than let FF out of the box again. Opera has emigrated to China (even that was not the main consideration to move forwards) and Vivaldi jumped into the emptiness.
    About catching up FF or Brave: I would not care to much about global market share and statistics. Success is not necessarily measured by market shares and the number of monthly users doesn't say anything about usability, browser safety nor trustability and the values or intentions of a company behind the product.
    One great example for that: GπŸ‘Chrome. More than a billion users sticking with a malicious browser. This seems more likely a bad joke than the reality...

    Less is sometimes more and more ends up at some point in a mess..


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    @cswilly said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    Vivaldi does a good job with sync, but sadly does not sync: (1) custom search engines and (2) Web Panels.

    You can vote for the Sync search engines and Sync web panels feature requests. I'd love to have both of these as well. I'm hopeful it's on the roadmap as we can see a Search Engines category in the green table on vivaldi://sync-internals, despite it not working currently.



  • Vivaldi browser is great. I have been using it for more than x years now. And I continue to try other borwsers, and find disappointment... especially Chromium /Chrom clones. Firefox remains the best competition for vivaldi, because it can be flexibly adusted with add ons eyc.. the version I use is prety light and agile...essential when my hardware is not happy accomodating a tank like Chrome (yes I know vivaldi is bulky too, but the features comensate and wre worth it, and the corporate culture deserves far more credibility then presnt google). Ok so I like Vivaldi so much, that I have overloaded my present vivaldi with everything relatd to one project, including scoial media channels etc etc etc. Now I want to do the samae with another project- use a new clean vivaldi, unrlatd to my existing vivaldi installation, and overload the new vivaldi wit a new proect.
    QUESTION: How can I install and run two vivaldi browsers on the same user and hard disk partition, while keeping them completely independent and unkowing of each other, whicle I switche between them?



  • @MagiMou said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    How can I install and run two vivaldi browsers on the same user and hard disk partition, while keeping them completely independent and unkowing of each other, whicle I switche between them?

    Install at least one copy using the Standalone option.



  • Excellent Olga; wonderful! Thank you so much!



  • Choosing a browser is easy. If you don't require anything from your browser and don't think about security, it's Chrome. If you want a secure browser that wants to stand out from Google or is not associated with Google, then Firefox or Brave.
    A third option may be the Edge on Chrome, which is already outclassing most browsers on this engine. What about Vivaldi ? In my opinion she is getting worse and closer to her older sister Opera and can repeat her story. I remember assurances that Vivaldi will try to stay as far away from Google as possible and offer us a better user experience and when Edge switched to chromium all Vivaldi was unhappy that another browser on this engine will increase Google's monopoly. Now you can see that these were just lies and the fear of another better browser that will have more potential for development than a simple chrome cover-up called Vivaldi.


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    @MattSolo45 said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    Choosing a browser is easy. If you don't require anything from your browser and don't think about security, it's Chrome. If you want a secure browser that wants to stand out from Google or is not associated with Google, then Firefox or Brave.
    A third option may be the Edge on Chrome, which is already outclassing most browsers on this engine. What about Vivaldi ? In my opinion she is getting worse and closer to her older sister Opera and can repeat her story. I remember assurances that Vivaldi will try to stay as far away from Google as possible and offer us a better user experience and when Edge switched to chromium all Vivaldi was unhappy that another browser on this engine will increase Google's monopoly. Now you can see that these were just lies and the fear of another better browser that will have more potential for development than a simple chrome cover-up called Vivaldi.

    In the future all browsers will be based on Chromium, even Firefox sooner or later there will be no other choice. In fact, Brave is also based on Chromium.
    But you should not confuse the terms, Vivaldi, like all modern browsers, is based on Chromium, not Chrome, due to the demands of the current web formats, where Chromium is best developed.
    It would be like stating that TOR is related to the US defense and the NSA, which are the creators of TOR.



  • @Catweazle It's best for you not to change your browser with chrome, because there will be one and the same thing anyway with possible options that will be copied. And in my opinion, browsers with an individual engine should be the future and compete in this field too. Without diversity it gets boring and repetitive. Vivaldi just lacks the strength to change something so it's better to give up on it than to show something really great. I'd like Vivaldi to have an old opera engine, the Presto, so that the browser can get its character and be something new. But, well... it's better to keep your head down or you'll get a blow on your head.



  • Vivaldi for me; it has 17 preferences which I have gone through to adjust, it is so user friendly, and is handicapped accessible; it has an awesome download manager, lots of features; the list continues. The first thing I did when installing Vivaldi, is set up the browser; I did not go to any web pages or install any extensions. Yes I am a former Opera user; am glad I no longer use Opera; making the switch from opera was a breeze. Oh yes; I use Vivaldi for my EMail!


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    @MattSolo45 said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    @Catweazle It's best for you not to change your browser with chrome, because there will be one and the same thing anyway with possible options that will be copied. And in my opinion, browsers with an individual engine should be the future and compete in this field too. Without diversity it gets boring and repetitive. Vivaldi just lacks the strength to change something so it's better to give up on it than to show something really great. I'd like Vivaldi to have an old opera engine, the Presto, so that the browser can get its character and be something new. But, well... it's better to keep your head down or you'll get a blow on your head.

    The web and new formats require an engine that can best handle it. and this is the one that Vivaldi has.
    It does not have to do with being boring, but having a browser that works best on the network. Therefore I do not see so advantageous that each browser uses its own engine, since this would mean that each browser reacts differently on the same page which would not benefit the user at all. This independent since Vivaldi with its own engine had to develop again from scratch, which would obviously be its end. That all browsers will go to Chromium has good reasons, because it is the one that offers better benefits, if not, MS would have stayed with its own that it already had in Edge instead of going over also to Chromium. Compare the scores in the Html5 Test and you will see that no -Chromium browser does not reach Vivaldi and other Chromium based scores.


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    @MattSolo45 said in How to choose a browser in 2020:

    ...Browsers with an individual engine should be the future and compete in this field too. Without diversity it gets boring and repetitive... I'd like Vivaldi to have an old opera engine, the Presto, so that the browser can get its character and be something new.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree, no one wants a boring and repetitive web like when IE ruled the market. But I'd argue that currently, core web technologies like HTML5 and CSS are getting tons of innovative development with something new all the time, and another rendering engine wouldn't speed up that process much anyway. Did Edge speed up that process at all? Not as far as I'm aware, I think they were typically playing catch-up. And whatever development they did do, they should be able to do just as effectively within the chromium engine.

    Vivaldi's small team chose to spur diversity and prevent boring stagnation by developing a killer UI. Everyone else is creating minimalist UIs good for nothing more than casual browsing. Vivaldi isn't funding an in-house rendering engine, meaning they have extra resources to fund UI development. And look what that's gotten us! Razer-chroma and Philips Hue integration, themes which adjust between day and night, quick commands, tab stacks, web panels, and my personal favorites which are end-to-end encrypted sync and full-page screenshots! I'm very happy with the active development and new features we get on the UI!

    Here's a Vivaldi blog post explaining further why they use chromium. And note at the end they say developing their own rendering engine doesn't make sense for now, but could in the future!

    ... How likely is it that down the line we’ll change our chosen engine or develop our own? The short answer is that we depend on the many modifications we have made to the Chromium code, and β€œtranslating” these to a new engine would not make much sense. At least not at the moment.


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