Several bookmark managing issues that could use improvement



  • [size=1][strike]1. Currently if you already have a bookmark saved, I see no indication that you have already done so for that address. Right when you click [Save], the bookmark icon at the far right of URL field has a fillling-up-with-green animation, but then it reverts to being a grey outline. When you're at a page with an address that has already been bookmarked, the icon should already be filled with a color.[/strike][/size] [color=#00bb00]Fixed in Snapshot 1.0.275.3 ([url=https://vivaldi.net/blogs/teamblog/item/52-snapshot-1-0-275-3-fixes-to-zoom-and-rewind#changelog]VB-8585[/url])[/color] 2. If you click on the bookmark icon (or press Ctrl-D / ⌘-D), it should a list of where it is already bookmarked (and allow you to click "(x)"s to delete those entries, but allow you to make duplicate ones if you want -- for example, in another folder. There are easily conceivable situations where someone may want to have duplicates, and not wipe out the previous bookmark by making a new one. (If there are duplicates, just mention that as an informational aside on the properties pane of each bookmark.) 3. In the bookmark manager (Speed Dial> Bookmarks) when you filter by a term, it should keep the hierarchical indentation and still show you the folder parentage of the matching bookmarks. Currently it turns into a flat list when filtering is being done. Perhaps the parent folder names should be grey to indicate that they themselves aren't matching the search (unless they match the search term too, of course). 4. If your filter string matches a folder, currently, instead of showing you the folder name with a folder icon, it shows a a name preceded by a page icon. What it should show is a folder icon. 5. Bookmarks should have more metadata (Aside from the inherent usefulness, these additional fields would allow you to improve importing: Right now a bunch of information gets discarded when importing bookmarks from Opera and any other browsers that have such bookmark metadata.) Additional fields needed: * [strike]"Added" date[/strike] [color=#00bb00]Edit: This is now present[/color] * "Last accessed" date * A [i]Description[/i] field that automatically pulls in text from <meta name="description" content="..."> tags. [size=1][strike]Opera up to some version [i]before[/i] 12.x actually searched bookmark descriptions (and I think even fulltext of cached pages) when you were typing in the URL bar, to give suggestions. This was [i][b]very[/b][/i] useful for keyword searching. (Upon bookmarking a page, in addition to the automatically pulled in description, I would often also add additional key words to the "Description" field, as tags. Months or years later I might be typing some keywords into the address bar, intending to search on Google for a solution or answer to something, only to see a forgotten bookmark conveniently appear in the address suggestions, linking to a page that already provided me the exact answer to that problem or question on a previous occasion. It was great; it felt a bit like having an extended memory.) I realize Vivaldi already has a distinct [i]Tags[/i] field; that could be kept distinct, for people who want keyword searching of the [i]Tags[/i] field, but don't want to do searching of the pulled-in [i]Description[/i] field. (After all, all that searching may slow Vivaldi down a bit -- which is probably why Opera dropped it even before version 12.xx.) You could have a Preferences setting "Search bookmark Description fields as you type in the address bar? [✓]". I realize such searching may require maintaining a word index to be efficient for users with a few thousand bookmarks, but it would be doable (and for all I know, you're already using indexing for the tags).[/strike][/size] [color=#00bb00][b] (2015.12.08 edit)[/b] There now is a description field, instead of a "Tags" field, and it does seem to work for getting bookmark suggestions from the address bar.[/color ] [color=#ff0000](2015.12.17 Edit: But only for a single word. If I try typing in multiple words to narrow it down, the suggestions disappear.)[/color] I havent't test yet if this automatically pulls from the Opera 12 Description field during import, but for new bookmarks, I see that [color=#ff0000]it doesn't yet pull in text automatically from the <meta name="description" content="..."> element[/color].



  • Adding on to this, currently, if you have a lot of bookmarks and you search for a folder for which you've forgotten where in the hierarchy you put it, you can't do anything with it. Even if you find it in the flat list of filter results (despite it not having a folder icon during filtering, as mentioned in #4, above):
    If you select it, you can't see its contents. Double clicking it doesn't open it and clear the filter, as one might expect. If you clear the filter manually, you lose the selection. Because of issue #3 mentioned above (the flat, non-hierarchical view of filter results), you don't know the path to that folder. There's simply no way of quickly discovering a bookmark or folder's present path. And for a folder found via filtering, there's no way to look inside it, as far as I can tell, other than doing something awkward like having to cut and paste it to a new location or temporarily setting it as speed dial or bookmark bar.



  • One more thing: The folder dropdown list (when adding a bookmark via Ctrl-d/Command-d or clicking on the ribbon icon) currently presents a flat, unindented list. If subfolders were indented according to their folder hierarchy levels, it would be clearer.



  • What I miss is the simple fast access of a Bookmarks pop-up in the URL 'window' that I've grown so used to. Even the traditional top menu (along with File, Edit, etc.) for Bookmarks would be better than always having to click the side, shift the screen (or IMO waste screen space all the time) to get access, and then close it back up and re-shift the screen./window. It might be more efficient, i am not sure, but it sure feels overly clicky and looks overly clunky.



  • @Vakkotaur:

    What I miss is the simple fast access of a Bookmarks pop-up in the URL 'window' that I've grown so used to.

    Are you referring to as-you-type suggestions in a drop-down from the URL bar? I'm already seeing those (together with suggestions from my browsing history). At least, it's bringing up matches for single words. I just noticed that if you type in two or more space-separated words to narrow it down, it stops bring up suggestions, unlike Opera 12, which let you type in multiple keywords.



  • Are you referring to as-you-type suggestions in a drop-down from the URL bar?

    No, I am not. I loathe that auto-mess-up what I am typing nonsense.
    I refer to the having a proper bookmarks menu accessed without jerking the browser display right and left. I'd settle for a Bookmarks menu (it would be a drop-down like File, Edit, View, Tools, Window, Help) but what I really want is Opera 12's slick solution of the Bookmarks button in the pop-up bar over the address bar. I've gotten very used to that - and it doesn't mean I have to click to push the display over, do what I want, and then click to get rid of the screenwasting sidebar. I loathe using up more of the screen for stuff than I need to, so a bookmarks bar is NOT a solution.



  • @Vakkotaur:

    Are you referring to as-you-type suggestions in a drop-down from the URL bar?

    No, I am not. I loathe that auto-mess-up what I am typing nonsense.

    That's autocomplete. I was refering to this in Opera 12:
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    and likewise in Vivaldi:
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  • What you show is indeed auto-complete. It is, however NOT what I speaking of.

    I was referring to THIS, bookmarks:

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  • @Vakkotaur:

    What you show is indeed auto-complete. It is, however NOT what I speaking of.

    I was referring to THIS, bookmarks:

    What's shown in your screenshot is the Bookmarks button (also droppable into any toolbar in Opera by going to Tools>Appearance>Buttons>Browser and then dragging it to the desired toolbar), in the "Start Bar" toolbar. (Oddly, now that I check, the "Start Bar" appears to have been removed as an option in the OS X version by 12.16, although it still apparently existed in v. 12.00 at least according to the docs, and testing the Windows and Linux version of Opera 12.16, I see it available in those, although disabled by default.)

    And no, what I was showing was not autocomplete. Autocomplete is when the text field itself is automatically completed, not the suggestion dropdown appearing.



  • Bookmarks are actually the main reason I cannot use Vivaldi more than I do.

    Even after 20 versions on the new and improved Opera, they still have not reached what they were able to do with bookmarks in Opera <= 12.

    If I hit Ctrl+D I cannot even Create a New Folder in which to put the bookmark (Linux anyway). At least we now have a 'Tools > Manage Bookmarks' that is reasonably easy to get to.
    Having said that perhaps it is Chromium that is the stopping block. None of the Chromium browsers I have tried have adequate bookmarking capabilities.
    As poor as it is I now rely on Firefox bookmarking :(. At least it syncs.

    The entire bookmarking UI needs a rethink in my opinion.



  • What's shown in your screenshot is the Bookmarks button

    Yes, and THAT is precisely what I first mentioned. It's a nice fast-access to bookmarks that doesn't mean shunting the browser window aside to allow for a screen-wasting sidebar that I must then click again to get my properly sized browser window back. It's a slick solution worth adopting - or at least permitting. I bring it up, I use it to get access to the page(s) I desire and it goes away by itself. That it's part of the URL text field when clicked so it isn't otherwise taking up space is a nice, but not strictly necessary benefit. Simply having: File - Edit - View - Tools - Window - Help have one addition menu, Bookmarks, would go a long way to improving usability of Vivaldi.



  • @Vakkotaur:

    It's a nice fast-access to bookmarks that doesn't mean shunting the browser window aside to allow for a screen-wasting sidebar that I must then click again to get my properly sized browser window back. It's a slick solution worth adopting - or at least permitting. I bring it up, I use it to get access to the page(s) I desire and it goes away by itself. That it's part of the URL text field when clicked so it isn't otherwise taking up space is a nice, but not strictly necessary benefit. Simply having: File - Edit - View - Tools - Window - Help have one addition menu, Bookmarks, would go a long way to improving usability of Vivaldi.

    Yeah, I agree that that should be a button option, or, as you said, at least available as an application menu.

    (In general, I really hope Vivaldi someday has the "Here are toolbars with default buttons, but add, remove, drag, and drop buttons to whatever location in whatever toolbar suits your needs" UI flexibility of Presto Opera.)


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