the one and only legit FREE antivirus for WINDOWS



  • why do we need a 2nd thread about a generic recommendation when there's already a better thread one line below? https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/40223/recommendations-for-anti-virus-to-replace-avast-premier?page=1



  • @npro because this is a specific answer to a general matter and current state of the art. why you must even point out...



  • @urfausto said in the one and only legit FREE antivirus for WINDOWS:

    @jamesbeardmore yes you are right too, this is however about FREE stuff because you don't the money to afford it and windows mainly. linux i think is good even without any antivirus, but i don't know for sure.

    Yes I appreciate it's about free stuff, I guess I'm just trying to point out that most free options aren't any better than Windows Defender - so if you want better I'd argue that there in fact isn't a free option, only paid.

    Regarding GNU/Linux, it's not going to suit everyone, but you are partially correct regarding AV for it. It's got a stronger track-record for security, for one reason or another. Most internet servers run GNU/Linux (or did at one time), yet most viruses have always targeted Windows. Historically that was because GNU/Linux systems were naturally more securely designed. Nowadays, I think Microsoft has upped their game, so the advantage is possibly more one of security through obscurity these days: Most desktop machines run Windows, so very few viruses have ever targeted GNU/Linux on the desktop as there are too few users for the viruses to be able to spread effectively.

    An additional problem to virus propagation is a side-effect of the problems you often get when trying to install software on GNU/Linux systems from outside that system's repositories. Many viruses try to exploit old, unpatched systems. Let's imagine a virus compiled against the libraries for, say, Ubuntu Breezy Badger, which is rather elderly. That virus might work against a couple of Ubuntu versions from around that time, perhaps Hoary Hedgehog or Dapper Drake, but it'd probably fail to run on, for instance, the contemporary version of Fedora (probably Fedora 2 or 3 at the time), or indeed on modern versions of Ubuntu.

    As a slightly controversial side-note, relating to operating-system choice, I could also suggest that if you don't have the money for antivirus software, you could save even more money by not buying a licence for Microsoft Windows. For a newbie you couldn't go too far wrong with Linux Mint, despite their one historic security-gaff. 😉



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  • @jamesbeardmore what about windows 7 dropping updates and support? it's the only decent windows release. will u be protected with an av in the future?


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    @urfausto said in the one and only legit FREE antivirus for WINDOWS:

    @jamesbeardmore what about windows 7 dropping updates and support? it's the only decent windows release. will u be protected with an av in the future?

    Windows 7 is a good OS, but Windows 10 is at least as good or even better for security. The difference is that it requires that certain functions that are set on question the privacy against Microsoft. But using, for example, the O&O Shutup10 (a small and free app, standalone) it is done easily with a few clicks, then having a fast, light and private OS with a Defender that is up to any other AV.



  • @urfausto Depends on what you want. AV can't catch non-patched security holes, only infected files/malware, and in my eyes security holes are more important than having or not an Antivirus.
    Practically I can't think that Microsoft won't patch severe vulnerabilities, there's still just too many Windows 7 users that won't downgrade* to Windows 10 and they did it for XP as well.
    Personally, I already switched to Linux in one machine of mine that used to be on W7 and my other machine that had W10 preinstalled is on the roadmap for some time later. I just got sick of playing cat and mouse with Microsoft and their filthy tactics, https://www.ghacks.net/2019/07/11/did-microsoft-just-drop-the-telemetry-bomb-on-windows-7-users-without-telling-anyone/ and *Windows 10 is a serious privacy offender. Running O&O or any other software won't save you, you have to block dozens of servers in your host file etc. and pay attention all the time for more privacy breaches and never know if you did enough. Not for me anymore, enough is enough.



  • i would never switch to windows 10 because i don't like the app system (smartfon like environment) at all, that's why i think it has serious privacy problems. and i am too lazy for linux actually.



  • @npro how new security holes would happen without new features and implementations if the OS has been patched and updated all along for a long time?



  • @urfausto Security patches for Windows 7 are still being released every month how haven't you noticed that? Hackers look for holes everywhere and all the time, they won't stop, on the contrary they will be even more motivated. The latest Spectre and Meltdown CPU vulnerability that was affecting all CPUs is another great example how flaws existed for 20 years and some researchers discovered them only last year...


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    @urfausto said in the one and only legit FREE antivirus for WINDOWS:

    i would never switch to windows 10 because i don't like the app system (smartfon like environment) at all, that's why i think it has serious privacy problems. and i am too lazy for linux actually.

    You do not have to use the Windows Store in Windows 10. Only if you install programs from outside, you get a window where you have to accept the installation. There are no impediments. Regarding privacy, I said before that it is not difficult to deactivate all these services "to improve the user experience". By doing this, you get with the W10 a good, agile and stable OS.
    Apart sooner or later you will not have other options, when the W7 takes the same path as the XP (RIP) and you don't want Linux or ReactOS.



  • @urfausto Too lazy for Linux but what you will do if your Windows 7 breaks some time and you have to reinstall it? Good luck finding and installing all the right updates that don't include telemetry. They are dozens. It's over with Microsoft as you (we) knew it, they have just followed Apple's and Google's ad-revenue way by spying on you -which is actually a good thing, only people have to realize it- now is the time to use an OS that doesn't spy its users and is free as in "freedom". Anyway since it's going way off-topic I 'll stop now.



  • @Catweazle this reactos is interesting, if i can run the applications i run on windows i'll totally go for this one...


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    @urfausto said in the one and only legit FREE antivirus for WINDOWS:

    @Catweazle this reactos is interesting, if i can run the applications i run on windows i'll totally go for this one...

    It may be a possibility, if you like it, but keep in mind that ReactOS in its features and possible compatibility is equivalent to Windows XP, I am not sure that Vivaldi for example, will work in ReactOS.
    Personally I would prefer to use Linux distros, such as Mint or Kubuntu, also very similar to the UI and management of Windows, but being OS of 2019 and not 2007.



  • @urfausto ReactOS is a fun little toy that I've been monitoring since around 2004 or 2005, but as @Catweazle has already pointed-out, its functionality has been stuck at "approximately Windows XP" since the days of Windows XP. Additionally, that functionality is incomplete. You can get a few programs such as LibreOffice and Firefox to work in it, but many of your Windows programs, and hardware drivers simply won't work. I have only got it to successfully boot on very old hardware or a virtual machine.

    Regarding "being too lazy to install Linux", I'd just like to ask where you've been for the last 15 years? 😃 I am actually too lazy to persist with Microsoft Windows! I spend what feels like hours not getting work done every time I boot it up because of all the time it spends updating or breaking something. I don't have the time to keep fixing Windows every time it breaks, and additionally keep closing all the telemetry holes every time new ones open or re-open. With a particularly friendly distribution such as Linux Mint, I just install it, forget-about it, and then and get on with my work. Of course, I'm aware that not everybody can ditch the Windows ecosystem just like that, but my point is that you needn't let mere laziness stop you!

    Seriously, Windows 7 is still adequate for now - but as of January 14, 2020, your only safe and responsible options are Windows 10 (with lots of tweaks and the use of O&O Shutup10) or some flavour of GNU/Linux. You have about 2 months to either:
    -ditch Windows completely, or
    -learn to like Windows 10 (and its relentless forced-updates, long boot-times, repeated fixing when updates break something, and spying).

    If you're really desperate to stay in the Microsoft world, you can partially mitigate some of those Windows-10 symptoms, with a little effort. There even used to be a tool (I don't know if it's still available) called Classic Start, which can give you a start menu just like earlier versions of Windows. I always personally opted for the Windows 95/NT4 style start menu, which was used right up to Windows ME/2000, and remained an option in XP (it requires the least mouse-clicks of any option I've tried) - but most people used it to get a Win7-style start menu.



  • Hi, it is getting a bit off topic now but like to add some cents to @jamesbeardmore ´s post.
    Windows update system bothers me for years now but it is getting better with latest Windows 10 updates. If you use Windows on a daily base it need some 2-5 Minutes to get a working system usually but bigger updates need still 20-30 Minutes and several restarts.
    If you don´t use your system for a week or more you need sometimes one to several hours to get it done and the system is nearly blocked during that time.
    As a long term Linux user I would smile about but not in front of a "Please don´t shutdown, we updating for you" and then "Please wait we are up ..." for 20 minutes.
    Check one of the Linux distributions as live image or install as dual boot system.
    It is so easy today. Problems I only aware of is brand new or exotic hardware.
    By the way security problems are mostly the software not the OS you run:

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/chrome-edge-safari-hacked-at-elite-chinese-hacking-contest/

    Cheers, mib


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    @jamesbeardmore said in the one and only legit FREE antivirus for WINDOWS:

    @urfausto ReactOS is a fun little toy that I've been monitoring since around 2004 or 2005, but as @Catweazle has already pointed-out, its functionality has been stuck at "approximately Windows XP" since the days of Windows XP. Additionally, that functionality is incomplete. You can get a few programs such as LibreOffice and Firefox to work in it, but many of your Windows programs, and hardware drivers simply won't work. I have only got it to successfully boot on very old hardware or a virtual machine.

    Regarding "being too lazy to install Linux", I'd just like to ask where you've been for the last 15 years? 😃 I am actually too lazy to persist with Microsoft Windows! I spend what feels like hours not getting work done every time I boot it up because of all the time it spends updating or breaking something. I don't have the time to keep fixing Windows every time it breaks, and additionally keep closing all the telemetry holes every time new ones open or re-open. With a particularly friendly distribution such as Linux Mint, I just install it, forget-about it, and then and get on with my work. Of course, I'm aware that not everybody can ditch the Windows ecosystem just like that, but my point is that you needn't let mere laziness stop you!

    Seriously, Windows 7 is still adequate for now - but as of January 14, 2020, your only safe and responsible options are Windows 10 (with lots of tweaks and the use of O&O Shutup10) or some flavour of GNU/Linux. You have about 2 months to either:
    -ditch Windows completely, or
    -learn to like Windows 10 (and its relentless forced-updates, long boot-times, repeated fixing when updates break something, and spying).

    If you're really desperate to stay in the Microsoft world, you can partially mitigate some of those Windows-10 symptoms, with a little effort. There even used to be a tool (I don't know if it's still available) called Classic Start, which can give you a start menu just like earlier versions of Windows. I always personally opted for the Windows 95/NT4 style start menu, which was used right up to Windows ME/2000, and remained an option in XP (it requires the least mouse-clicks of any option I've tried) - but most people used it to get a Win7-style start menu.

    This slow start in win10 is not true, cold start until I am connected to the network and in this forum, it does not take even 2 minutes.
    It is true that in Windows 10 it is necessary to cut back the custom of usersniffing, which is not so complicated either and with Shutup10 it is done with a few clicks.
    It is even faster and more stable than 7, even with updates, which also don't take more than 1-2 minutes max.



  • @jamesbeardmore haha yes. it's just that i have these few niche applications that won't run under linux and i can't afford to step them aside since i use them.

    i have setup everything i need as i need it under windows, unfortunately.


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    @urfausto said in the one and only legit FREE antivirus for WINDOWS:

    @jamesbeardmore haha yes. it's just that i have these few niche applications that won't run under linux and i can't afford to step them aside since i use them.

    i have setup everything i need as i need it under windows, unfortunately.

    Well, it depends on the use, Windows has advantages over Linux, starting with the availability of software, which in Windows is infinitely greater than in Linux and often of higher quality, even in the FOSS . Linux has advantages in other aspects, due to its modularity due to its OpenSource character, which allows it to be better adapted to certain functions and needs.But as you say, you can always have both OS in dual boot. But I think MS has improved Windows a lot in recent years and it is no longer so easy to say that such or such OS is better, it is always limited to personal preferences, not by functionality.


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    Updates for Win 7 will still be available until they stop making them.
    Any time a security problem is bad enough they WILL push the updates to all, exactly as they have done for XP with out of bounds updates.

    Network admin tools will likely be the best way to keep 7 updated rather than the built-in updater.
    There is also a project setup to handle releasing win7 updates
    https://0patch.com

    Windows 10 does actually have the same config panels as Win 7 so things like the desktop icons are done exactly the same way.
    Use something like Winareo tweaker to enable the win 7 GUI features you miss.
    My Win 10 looks like a freakish win 7


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