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    @mossman Business and government. Governments are notoriously slow updating tech. Like NOAA still animates radar time loops using Flash.


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    When no browser supports flash within a year, they will have no choice but to update the pages. Cell phones and tablets had never supported flash.



  • @Catweazle said in Flashback:

    When no browser supports flash within a year, they will have no choice but to update the pages. Cell phones and tablets had never supported flash.

    Again, not quite true. Classic Opera mobile supported flash, and I could be wrong but maybe classic Android browser did as well.

    I know I was struggling to keep flash enabled on my first Android phone when Adobe suddenly removed support for flash on android as there were several of my common sites at the time that used it for things like weather maps and so on.


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    It may be that in old Android there is still a compatibility, but in view of if there is little security of a Smartphone, using Flash would mean adding another gap.



  • @Catweazle You'd need Android Ics 4.0 and a very very legacy Flash version šŸ˜ƒ
    Puffin still has a sort of flash-in-cloud.



  • I am in the HVAC business and use a flash based web appliance for connecting remotely to projects. Will it be possible to use a stand alone current Vivaldi version as a tool to only connect to my projects after Flash is dropped by Chrome? I will not be using this for any "surfing"



  • Hi,

    I'd like to know if anyone knows about any change on the question and answers I got for this topic.

    Can anyone from Vivaldi confirm that we will be able to run a Flash application in Vivaldi 2.10, 3.0 or other old version in January 2021? And that, besides the security issue, we won't have any other risk on that (for example something that deactivates Flash in Vivaldi 3.0)?

    Thanks.


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  • Thanks @Gwen-Dragon.
    I duplicated my post as I didn't know where to reply.



  • I still use flash but for the sole purpose of playing the flash games notably adventure and room escape games.I don't even know where to look for HTML5 alternatives.I am what you would call middle aged and i have a fondness for nostalgia and things "old".
    But i know i must embrace change but some of us are stuck in our ways and are rooted in older things.

    The majority if not all the games on facebook are flash based so a major revamp will occur there no doubt.


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    @Priest72 , for Example
    https://www.paisdelosjuegos.com.ar/juegos/html5
    https://www.1001juegos.com/e/html5
    https://html5games.com
    etc.
    Only search html5 games, WebGL games, Unity games, all this are the current online browsergames format for PC and mobile.
    Flash is dead



  • More than 10 years ago I programmed a project/invoicing system in PHP using Flash elements. It still works like a charm. It runs locally on my computer. I would like Vivaldi to keep on giving me the choice to use it or not.


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    @rmvantol I do not understand. Vivaldi does not remove Flash Player from your PC. You have the choice to use Flash Player.
    You are barking up the wrong tree.
    Adobe as Flash Player producer may remove or block the player as the player is their courtesy and they have the rights. Check their terms of use of their software.
    ā‰”> https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/cc/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/Flash_Player_32_0.pdf



  • Flash is necessary to play radio content in the BBC Sounds site. I use this every day. It is the BBC's fault for continuing to use Flash but if Vivaldi stops allowing this use of Flash I will have to use a different browser.



  • @DavudE Which still means an old copy of Vivaldi, Chrome, Firefox or Internet Explorer with flash support. But I'm pretty sure most sites will magically switch to newer technologies a month before the official death of flash will arrive.



  • @DavudE said in Flashback:

    Flash is necessary to play radio content in the BBC Sounds site. I use this every day. It is the BBC's fault for continuing to use Flash but if Vivaldi stops allowing this use of Flash I will have to use a different browser.

    I think you're mistaken!

    I believe that the BBC sites (used to) deliver audio/video through Flash if your browser was configured that way, but it absolutely definitely works with HTML5-based content delivery if you don't have Flash.

    I say this as someone using Vivaldi and BBC on computers with/without Flash installed - I could even see that Vivaldi never needed Flash whereas Opera 12 pages were rendered differently and used Flash players (which, incidentally, have a message that they will no longer be supported after Flash end-of-life). Flash officially dies at the end of this December!



  • @mossman: Flash won't die as long as businesses and governments refuse to update their infrastructure. My university still strongly depends on Flash and it being deprecated doesn't mean a damn to them, nor anyone else that still uses it. The costs of switching over entire infrastructure is quite high; and even more discouraging when the new technology doesn't offer alternative or similar functionality to the older technology.



  • @NovaViper I was pointing out that many sites will stop serving Flash content in a few weeks - not that Flash will instantly disappear.

    But with no more Flash updates, sites removing it and browsers making it harder to open Flash content - you won't be using those old sites for very long...


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    @mossman , I think that the main problem does not reside in Flash as such, which will invariably disappear from the network, but that pages that continue to use it are unreliable as such, because they show that they have been neglected for a long time, which as such makes it dangerous and little by little the browsers themselves are going to block them and refuse to enter.

    That is, either the webmasters get smart and adapt the pages to new formats (Html5, WebGl, etc.) or they will end up like another corpse floating on the web like thousends others.


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