How we count our users
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Yes, Vivaldi counts its users, but I don't understand what this has to do with the lack of privacy. Any page we visit, without using a VPN, knows of us little less than the number we fit in our shoes (ISP, IP, OS, PC model, etc., see Panopticlick), data that we do not know where they end or what business is done with them. This Vivaldi, limited to truncated data for statistical purposes does not, with this I am satisfied and consider that a debate on privacy in Vivaldi is meaningless.
Vivaldi is as private as the search engine we use, if it's Google, well ... -
hi potmeklecbohdan
hi Ayespy
Respectfully and with pleasure I will say we do agree. Julien has made a way possible to make available the essential count. Sold on the basics of sustainability and growth.okay. count twice and have the same number? only growth kept it from shrinking.
okay. every business desktop in the world gets vivaldi browser, but the business network disallows clicking on ads and money links, vpn. The value of the big user count is diminished. no increase use. Those employees better have downloaded vivaldi at home because it is stable and has support; with the features that make it their reliable utensil to navigate the web. The pertinent fields must be filled-in to count as a pebble.
To be able to say that our users are surf lovers, our users spend an average of two more hours per day than the users of other browsers is better than total number count in circulation. more time with more tabs equals more ads, partners.
growth of use. growth of user count. growth.
Vivaldi does grow use. We keep you online. more tabs. more control. good performance. Stable with support.
They will get more eyeballs than they expect because of growth of use not just by growth of circulation count. because of Stable with support.
Wonder what term that count i$ good for? If jon can anticipate a growing spurt we can hope the term is short or allows the rate to rise with an increase in count. Julien will have the numbers. It is a good choice for vivaldi to modernize the keeping of the user id. Good job Julien. -
If you need another perspective on why active user count is so important to business, watch the Silicon Valley episode "Daily Active Users".
It basically narrates that download counters are useless, you can have 3.000.000 downloads but as low as 50.000 active users, which is a disaster.
With 3M downloads... sure, you can fool a couple investors here and there with that number, but actually savvy ones will care about active users and tell you off. What's more, they can then go an tell other investors "Vivaldi is hiding their real user count", which then would be even more of a disaster for a lot of reasons.
I know it's kind of a tricky scenario, but if you use your head and think about it logically, a daily/weekly, 99% anonymous phone home in exchange for a power user browser is a deal so good it would be stupid not to take it.
Alternatively, if Vivaldi would cost 20-30 dollars, I would switch to Firefox this exact second. Why? Because 20 dollars is a lot of money here, and I can assure you that it's also a lot in half of the world's countries, so they would lose about 70-80% of the current userbase for little gain.
So again, a phone home is an insignificant price to pay, and the alternative is basically, not have a browser.
All this said, the only way that Vivaldi could actually remove the phone home, is to make the usercount so huge it would be irrelevant for investors. So yeah, keep telling your friends and family about Vivaldi! We all benefit from it.
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It would be useful to update the active users count on this page more frequently. It has not changed from 1 2000 000 + since this blog article, but I would be surprised that it has not increased a bit since August and the release of the Android version.
Perhaps the statistics could be displayed somewhere more prominent on the Forum and/or Blog?
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@Pesala Active or dormant both are in the the system, use disk space, Sync and etc. It's expensive, so Pesala it's fair to
update the whole base.
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@Pesala said in How we count our users:
Perhaps the statistics could be displayed somewhere more prominent on the Forum and/or Blog?
That part {{you wrote}} came before finding the right best answer. You know Tamil don't you? how many new member stats for June
per day, per week, last mount, not sure per hour.
My suggestion: created a thread "How many member" use the same as King Monky didBest part, Tamil used the number based on the site numbers.
Edited: grammar
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@lamarca There is a large discrepancy between the number of forum users (currently 130,383) and the number of Community Members 500 000 + (Updated) quoted on the About Vivaldi page.
I wonder how the number of Community Members is counted? @vivaldi.net email addresses?
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@Pesala sorry for the late reply. Indeed Forum users are only one part of the community, we also have on top of that the sync users, bloggers and mail users.
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And so, when it was brought to my attention a few months back that there was maybe a way to handle user counting without it, I was immediately interested in implementing it.
So how will you count users without a unique ID?
I'm interested from a technical point of view of how the new design satisfies all your requirements without depending on a unique ID.
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@ayespy: No not 'end of story', merely one (flawed) way of viewing the story. Partners/advertisers will always look to independent sources of information such as statcounter to determine how many users there are.
Having a billion unique userID's means nothing by itself, it is how much browsing they do that they care about. That the people tasked with developing Vivaldi do not understand such a basic concept and the contempt they (including you) show for rational arguments against user tracking and 'phone home' behaviour is a major impediment to the browsers success
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