CMD-scroll is irritating and counter-intuitive



  • Dear Devs, I feel that CMD-scroll messes me up more than it helps me. I find myself activating it multiple times a day without intending it. The intuitive way to zoom on Mac is the OS default behaviour: open/close pinch on the trackpad - and I feel that works much better. Your way is forcing me to re-learn my learned motor skills. Also, it took me quite a while to understand why the webpages where zooming in/out, apparently at random. The correlation to me touching the trackpad while using the keyboard wasn't clear. I think that these observations would generalize to other Mac users, this is why I post this.



  • Ctrl+WhhelUp/Down is the default way to zoom since the day one of the wheel on mice.

    In those days Macs lacked even a second button.

    So is pretty clear that the default way to zoom has origins from Windows and not from Macs.

    Now, in multiplatform programs is pretty common to have the command and shortcuts coming from all the supported platforms.

    So Win users have also the almost useless CTRL+Click like on Macs. And mac users have the scroll wheel functions, like on Windows and Linux.

    I can't see anything wrong with that.

    Instead zooming trough a trackpad gesture is something not yet implemented that will help any trackpad users. Not just mac users, so will be surely implemented in the future.



  • But the features in Vivaldi shouldn't be assessed on such a tit-for-tat basis, should they? "Because we have to put up with ctrl-click, you have to contend with cmd-scroll"? That seems to be a strange attitude when "the Vivaldi web browser [claims to] adapts to you, not the other way around." Vivaldi should differentiate to follow OS conventions, I think, and not only offer a lowest common denominator in behavior.



  • @Ilja:

    But the features in Vivaldi shouldn't be assessed on such a tit-for-tat basis, should they? "Because we have to put up with ctrl-click, you have to contend with cmd-scroll"? That seems to be a strange attitude when "the Vivaldi web browser [claims to] adapts to you, not the other way around." Vivaldi should differentiate to follow OS conventions, I think, and not only offer a lowest common denominator in behavior.

    Sure, an option to disable/customize it would be welcome as any option.

    But removing an universally accepted convention just because a couple of users aren't used to would be pointless.



  • The point here is that on one particular platform, it isn't a universally accepted convention. An entire platform is something else than any random 'couple of users'.



  • @Ilja:

    The point here is that on one particular platform, it isn't a universally accepted convention. An entire platform is something else than any random 'couple of users'.

    The point is that while you're clearly a trackpad users, the world is plenty of mouse users (and many of them are cross platform users).

    So surely the trackpad (and touchscreen) gestures should be implemented/improved no matter if on macos or not, but I can't see why an useful feature should be removed just because Safari doesn't have it.

    For the record I tried Opium and it has the scroll zoom feature, and I'm sure that Office, Firefox, Opera, and many more common programs have it too.


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