Snapshot 1.0.231.3 - Draggable tab bar, favicons in address bar and spatial navigation improvements



  • Today's build includes two nice changes to the tab bar, favicon support in the address bar dropdown, spatial navigation improvements and Windows installer fixes. https://vivaldi.net/en-US/blogs/teamblog/item/42-snapshot-1-0-231-3-draggable-tab-bar-favicons-address-spatnav



  • In Vivaldi we trust! <3
    I'm so excited :D So many builds in a short time :D will you keep working during august too? I won't be home, but when I come back I'd like to find a lot of updates!!! =) Thank you guys, you're great!! I'm waiting for the time to replace my old Opera 12



  • Keep on the good work! : )



  • Getting closer to a viable alternative to Opera 12.17: Only three more features that I really need now:

    1. Email client
    2. Customisable Mouse gestures
    3. Customisable mnemonic keyboard shortcuts (the most frequently used of these are "t,d" to launch a text file in notepad with my ToDo list, and "m,t" to launch my font manager, MainType). I have 72 shortcuts altogether, which probably need pruning down to about half of that.

    Customisable menus and toolbars would be a bonus.


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    Since Vivaldi is already my default, and I don't use mouse gestures or keyboard shortcuts (much), I am eager for just one thing:

    1. Email Client.



  • Sessions, oh god, give us Sessions please



  • impossible to open settings window, only restart helps



  • A lot of you complained that it was impossible to drag the window on the tab bar. We hence spent some time fixing this for you. On the downside this means that middle clicking on the tab bar to open a new tab does not work anymore for now. We will look at finding a way for both of these possibilities to work together again. In the mean time we feel that this is a more sensible default.

    I hope it will be fixed in the next build.



  • Speed Dial: Double middle mouse click opens "Add Bookmark"



  • Thanks Team Vivaldi! I came back from vacation to learn I was several versions behind. Seems like much progress was made while I was away.

    Bookmarklet support, as well as the ability for adding bookmarklets via drag and drop to the bookmarks bar would be nice. I'm a developer who still uses Opera 12.17, and one of may fav bookmarklets is this one for mobile development (http://lab.maltewassermann.com/viewport-resizer/). Their bookmarklet does not seem to work in Vivaldi (which I added manually to the bookmark bar).

    Also, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. And I know this will piss of the few that are dying for an email client :P , but lets get the browser rock solid before worrying about an email client, one that may very well end up adding bloat to what should be a bloat-free, speedy browser. I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client, when there are more powerful standalone email client options out there, and there's far less call for them these days (with many using webmail). It harkens back to the old days of Netscape Communicator, when they tried to bundle every app under the Sun into a single interface. Doesn't really make sense in 2015. Lean and lightweight is where it's at. But then there are those of us who still yearn for the old ways.

    Keep up the great work! As someone else mentioned, I'm almost ready to retire Opera 12.17 once and for all. Almost :)


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    @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    That being the case, it's a subject on which you would probably do better to remain silent - leaving the discussion on that point to those who understand the need.



  • @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    I have a job related to IT, I have more than one email address for work, and also my personal one.
    I can't keep 3-4 tabs open for the email, it's a waste of ram. Aside that it's freaking uncomfortable
    But well if you don't have a job and you don't work with computers you don't obviously need the integrated client.
    Actually I think the point is that Vivaldi is intended for people who work with computers and so they need an email client, sessions etc


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    @GinoPerla:

    @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    I have a job related to IT, I have more than one email address for work, and also my personal one.
    I can't keep 3-4 tabs open for the email, it's a waste of ram. Aside that it's freaking uncomfortable
    But well if you don't have a job and you don't work with computers you don't obviously need the integrated client.
    Actually I think the point is that Vivaldi is intended for people who work with computers and so they need an email client, sessions etc

    For me, it's not RAM but workflow. My work enters and leaves my office in email. My work is done in the browser. Having email, tabs and bookmarks visible and accessible constantly in the same interface speeds my work. And since I have to have a permanent local record of communications received and sent, I have to have a local email client. Having it IN the browser is more efficient than switching back and forth to it. My wife's work, though totally dissimilar to mine, is actually managed in much the same way with similar, though different, record-keeping requirements. Both of us found our optimum work solutions in Opera's old integrated email. So my situation my not be common, but it is far from unique.



  • @Ayespy:

    @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    That being the case, it's a subject on which you would probably do better to remain silent - leaving the discussion on that point to those who understand the need.

    Well thanks for the well thought out suggestion Constable, but I absolutely will voice my opinion whenever I see fit. Just because my opinion differs substantially from yours, does not give you absolute control of the conversation, or licence to quell the opinions of others, some of which are likely far more sound than your own. And it is just conversation. So do try to relax. That said, I am willing to bet that if taken to poll, most users would identify that an integrated Email client ranks very low on their list of "must have" features. Have doubts? Put it to a poll. I understand YOUR need, but do try to consider it may not reflect the needs of everyone, and there are many users interested in Vivaldi, beyond yourself.



  • @GinoPerla:

    @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    I have a job related to IT, I have more than one email address for work, and also my personal one.
    I can't keep 3-4 tabs open for the email, it's a waste of ram. Aside that it's freaking uncomfortable
    But well if you don't have a job and you don't work with computers you don't obviously need the integrated client.
    Actually I think the point is that Vivaldi is intended for people who work with computers and so they need an email client, sessions etc

    I'll offer you another perspective. I have worked in IT since the very early days of the Internet. I have worked for a large ISP for the last 18 yrs. My first browser was Lynx, then Mosaic. Remember those browsers? As a Web Developer, I am keenly aware of browsers, and have used, or at least tried every browser known to humankind B) . I've used and recommended Opera since version 3.

    IMHO, Opera 12 was the best browser EVER made. What made it so? It was a browser for the "power user'". Every option under the sun, and configurable in every way. I consider myself to be qualified as a "power user'". But I never used the integrated email client. Ever. See, I'm very picky about the tools and the software I use. I like a browser to be very good at it's main task. Browsing. Powerful browsing. For me, the same applies to my other tools. For email, I like a powerful email client. For Web Development, I like a powerful editor. So really, what is the real advantage of an integrated email client? Is it the ability of being able to select the Email client on another tab? Welcome to Windows, it actually allows the same ability to select any running app.

    So yes, "Vivaldi is intended for people who work with computers". It wouldn't work out very well otherwise ;) But do not assume that all of us who work on computers for a living are yearning for an integrated email client. I just want a great browser. Right now, there isn't one. And there lies Vivaldi's greatest opportunity.



  • @MrPants:

    @GinoPerla:

    @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    I have a job related to IT, I have more than one email address for work, and also my personal one.
    I can't keep 3-4 tabs open for the email, it's a waste of ram. Aside that it's freaking uncomfortable
    But well if you don't have a job and you don't work with computers you don't obviously need the integrated client.
    Actually I think the point is that Vivaldi is intended for people who work with computers and so they need an email client, sessions etc

    I'll offer you another perspective. I have worked in IT since the very early days of the Internet. I have worked for a large ISP for the last 18 yrs. My first browser was Lynx, then Mosaic. Remember those browsers? As a Web Developer, I am keenly aware of browsers, and have used, or at least tried every browser known to humankind B) . I've used and recommended Opera since version 3.

    IMHO, Opera 12 was the best browser EVER made. What made it so? It was a browser for the "power user'". Every option under the sun, and configurable in every way. I consider myself to be qualified as a "power user'". But I never used the integrated email client. Ever. See, I'm very picky about the tools and the software I use. I like a browser to be very good at it's main task. Browsing. Powerful browsing. For me, the same applies to my other tools. For email, I like a powerful email client. For Web Development, I like a powerful editor. So really, what is the real advantage of an integrated email client? Is it the ability of being able to select the Email client on another tab? Welcome to Windows, it actually allows the same ability to select any running app.

    So yes, "Vivaldi is intended for people who work with computers". It wouldn't work out very well otherwise ;) But do not assume that all of us who work on computers for a living are yearning for an integrated email client. I just want a great browser. Right now, there isn't one. And there lies Vivaldi's greatest opportunity.

    I just gave you my point of view, in my opinion is a very comfortable feature for everyone who work with computers, I always liked the "all in one" if it works well, sorry if my comment sounded rude, I obviously accept any point of view


  • Moderator

    Vivaldi was born in the mind of Jon S Von Tetzchner, the sole living father of old Opera. In his vision, the browser incorporates an email client. It (the email client) is well along in development. It will be included in Jon's (not anyone else's) browser that he built for "his friends." There are perhaps a million or so, maybe more, maybe not, users who have never felt at home with a browser since the demise of O12 with its built-in, versatile, powerful, light-weight email client which, ALMOST ALONE among email clients does not suffer from the limitation of only a certain size of folder or mailbox before the database function fails and becomes corrupt.

    Now in the minds of some, the relatively "small" percentage of users who require a built-in email client means that there should be no such thing as a built-in client, and that the pursuit and construction of one is a waste of valuable time spent building, instead, the features THEY want. Thankfully, the MAIN attraction which brought me here and keeps me here in anticipation, is not in the hands or under the control of people who "don't understand the need" for a built-in email client. and so, something that will benefit me (and perhaps a million or two other users) immensely and harm those who "don't understand" the need not one iota, will eventually once again come to pass.

    And at no time, MrPants, did I ever try to control your communication or to keep you from voicing an opinion. I merely advised that it would be a waste of time for you to comment on matters which you, by your own declaration, don't understand. If you don't understand the need for a built-in client, you are welcome to TRY to come to understand that need, and if you decline to try to understand it, you will forgive me if I give your comments on the subject exactly zero weight. No matter what opinion you express, you will not have any influence on the appearance or lack thereof, of what Jon set out from before the first release, to provide. And if you never find Vivaldi to be a great browser, well, millions of us will, and you will just have to use some browser somewhere that is not, in your mind, "great." Sorry that the universe, in this case, seems slightly more likely to bend itself to the needs of users like me, rather than those who are determined to object to my getting what I need.

    Good luck. Be well.



  • Definitely looking forward to the email client.



  • @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    I have a job related to IT, I have more than one email address for work, and also my personal one.
    I can't keep 3-4 tabs open for the email

    I'm afraid you haven't a clear idea about how M2 works.

    , it's a waste of ram.

    We all know that Opera is the exact opposite of RAM hungry programs, no matter if the email function is used or not.

    For email, I like a powerful email client.

    Sure. That's why I use M2, that's why I use the standalone Opera Mail too.

    I have yet to see a better email client for PCs

    I just want a great browser. Right now, there isn't one. And there lies Vivaldi's greatest opportunity.

    It's plenty of decent browsers nowadays, what we miss is a powerful tool to use internet.

    Opera was (and still is) that tool, Vivaldi is not (yet) a replacement for it, and likely will never be.

    Just to mention one small thing Chromium will likely drop the ftp support, and likely Vivaldi will be forced to follow that decision.



  • @The_Solutor:

    @MrPants:

    I personally don't understand the necessity of having an integrated mail client…

    I have a job related to IT, I have more than one email address for work, and also my personal one.
    I can't keep 3-4 tabs open for the email

    I'm afraid you haven't a clear idea about how M2 works.

    , it's a waste of ram.

    We all know that Opera is the exact opposite of RAM hungry programs, no matter if the email function is used or not.

    For email, I like a powerful email client.

    Sure. That's why I use M2, that's why I use the standalone Opera Mail too.

    I have yet to see a better email client for PCs

    I just want a great browser. Right now, there isn't one. And there lies Vivaldi's greatest opportunity.

    It's plenty of decent browsers nowadays, what we miss is a powerful tool to use internet.

    Opera was (and still is) that tool, Vivaldi is not (yet) a replacement for it, and likely will never be.

    Just to mention one small thing Chromium will likely drop the ftp support, and likely Vivaldi will be forced to follow that decision.

    Did you read about what I said?

    I have a job related to IT, I have more than one email address for work, and also my personal one.
    I can't keep 3-4 tabs open for the email

    I mean, I don't want to keep 4 tabs opened (outlook.com, office365, yahoo.com etc)
    I wasn't talking about M2 nor Opera, and I didn't mention them

    It's a waste of ram.

    Again I wasn't talking about Opera or M2, I know that presto isn't resource hungry, I meant that keeping more and more tabs opened on my current browser (which is not Opera 12, nor Vivaldi) eats my ram

    You really misunderstood 90% of what I said


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