Solved Customisable Toolbars
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@Ascar said in Customisable Toolbars:
Where can I find out about the scope of 'complete customization' and timeline?
Thanks for asking, but you can't. Neither can I. It's a somewhat fluid situation, with a very small development team and thousands of bugs to repair at the same time new features are being developed, and the continually-shifting sand of the Chromium engine underlying it all.
We put in our requests, thousands of those as well, and we wait. And day by day, Vivaldi adds more and more features and custumization.
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@Pesala
It would also be greatly appreciated if the buttons could be dragged to the sidebar as well and have a menu in settings so the customisations made to the browser is more centralised. -
In addition to the other customizability options, I wish there was an option to have color buttons. This fascination with greyscale themes over the last decade or so is awful. (One of the things I hated Apple starting.) Different colors can convey a lot of information at a glance, but UI designers like this fad of using a few similar shades of grey instead. Am I looking at a light grey button or a dark grey button? I often can't tell. At least Firefox includes black buttons, but Vivaldi doesn't even do that.
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@stardepp It has been work in progress for years. There is nothing new to get excited about just yet.
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@pesala said in Customisable Toolbars:
@stardepp It has been work in progress for years. There is nothing new to get excited about just yet.
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@stardepp Since some aspects of the toolbars can already be edited, the feature is technically 'in progress', but it'll probably take a long time to finish it. Randomly noticed that this feature request doesn't have a status, so I added it today.
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@jane-n Thank you for this information.
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I want the same or greater ways to customise the toolbox than Firefox has.
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@carryingcaseoftools the role model is Opera12, not Firefox.... people start to forget where all the innovation came from, and now think that Chrome and Firefox somehow came up with stuff that makes browsers more useful.
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@ayespy said in Customisable Toolbars:
A dolphin is not a fish, and a platypus is not a mammal.
So I came here to add to the request for all elements displayed on a tool bar to be treated equally, or if it's easier the option to add holders into the toolbars that hold different things.
For example the navigation elements that currently can move from one container on the navigation bar to two on the status bar - if I could add another container between the address field and the search field then I could add buttons (like refresh and home) to the right of the address field and keep other buttons (say the forward and back ones) on the left.
Additionally I could add an extensions container to the status bar at the bottom and move those extension icons that I wanted to to the bottom of the screen.
But what stopped me in my tracks was the statement above and the fact that it hadn't been challenged at all.
It is true that dolphins are not fish, but is it false that the platypus is not a mammal.A platypus is a marsupial, albeit a primitive one (a monotreme), and marsupials are a class of mammal.
Now you are armed with the right information I think it's clear that flexible ui elements must be simpler and quicker to implement after all.
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@wildente surely where it came from matters little if it's a useful innovation that others have copied it sort of implies that it's do-able and repeatable.
This is a feature request after all.
I understand Vivaldi's spiritual heritage is Opera but its code is after all a fork of Chromium with some additions and a close source UI. The UI is what makes Vivaldi interesting but it's also the Achilles heel as no one else can help improve it and critique design decisions (some of which might be making the implementation of something Opera12 did and Firefox already do much harder for Vivaldi).
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@wildente said in Customisable Toolbars:
people start to forget where all the innovation came from
I don't think people have started to forget, I think they just don't know. It would be interesting to know what percentage of current Vivaldi users had the old Opera as their primary browser; I think that percentage would be surprisingly small.
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@dandol0enr I would guess it's surprisingly high given that Opera12 had a market share in the low percentage range, which translates to well above 10x the current user base of Vivaldi, so even if only a fraction of opera users switched to Vivaldi when it was released that would constitute the initial user base of Vivaldi, which is still (sadly) a significant portion (edited for clarity). That group and some that waited for Vivaldi to mature before switching might still be a large part of the current user base. There will be another push when M3 is released and people that used Nad loved opera mail find a new home. But then again:
a) what percentage ranges would we deem surprisingly low, unsurprising, and surprisingly high
b) how to find out? I very much doubt that Vivaldi would set up a poll mentioning Opera -
@wildente Ah, it was a big mistake on my part to say an abstraction like "surprisingly small" without a specific number.
I think these people make up about half of the users. I and everyone I know personally who uses Vivaldi came from Chrome and Firefox/forks, but this is an anecdotal and worthless example.
I assumed that a lot of people were not using the old Opera as their primary browser because the number of users is growing seemingly normally (1 million users in January 2017, 1.5 million in April 2020, 2.3 million in September 2021), i.e. this is not a sharp return of old Opera users at the start of the project and plateau after, but a moderate unknown growth. One could respond to this by saying that old Opera users are coming back as features are added to the browser, but I think over the years they have become used to other browsers like new Opera and there is not much differentiation in attitude towards Vivaldi features between them and Firefox users, for example. Even more, some could even say it's more Firefox users, because the old Opera with its functionality died a long time ago, but Firefox is removing features gradually year after year by destroying old addons, XUL, easily accessible settings and even about:config settings and disabling userchrome.css and threatening to remove it completely. But in any case, it's all empty speculation with no collected data behind so don't take it seriously. -
@dandol0enr said in Customisable Toolbars:
I think these people make up about half of the users.
And that means we agree, because I consider this a significant/large portion - also, thanks for a very thoughtful response. One of the things I liked about the my opera community and now about the Vivaldi community is this kind of discussion culture
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Can the avatar and plugins on the right side of the address bar be customized above the tab bar so I can have a minimalist layout. (This allows me to set the status bar to be hidden.
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@jane-n it's interesting to see that team member rightfully considers this in progress while moderation insists on it being done
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@pesala said in Customisable Toolbars:
These are now options in Settings, Tabs, Tabs Display:
Display Trash Can
Display Synced Tabs Button -
- Allow users to drag and drop buttons onto any toolbar, or remove them.
- Move or remove the zoom slider or button controls
- Move buttons to the right of the address field
- Restore individual buttons without resetting the entire toolbar
- Disable or Remove Trash/Sync Icons
These are all done now, apart from removing the Sync icon, which can be done easily with some CSS.
Custom Buttons is another topic. One can add Command Chains to toolbars, but they currently all share the same »_ icon, which is not ideal.
Vote for More tweakable toolbars and buttons, or Move Buttons from Status Bar to Panel Toolbar if you need more.