Closing on stable – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.36



  • @jon: Hello, but plan your engine for Vivaldi?


  • Vivaldi Team

    @Network , I am not fully understanding your question, but I will assume that you are asking whether we plan to make our own engine from scratch.

    As much as I would have loved for us to do that, given that we did that before with Presto, which was a great engine, it would just require a lot of resources. Microsoft just gave up on building their own engine. Google did not build their own. Instead they used one from Apple, which Apple incidentally did not build them selves either. So those large companies, with unlimited resources, choose not to build their own. I think that tells you that the task is too big.

    We do make changes to Chromium and over time we may well do more, but in any case there is a lot we can do even on top of Chromium, as you can see.

    Cheers,
    Jon.



  • @jon Thanks Jon for stopping by, much appreciated. It's always nice to see you active here as well. I assume by not making a comment about Firefox's engine and the Quantum follow-up that it wouldn't change much in updating Vivaldi with its code as a procedure/amount of work and that Chromium/Blink was the safest choice in staying future-proof in terms of code, compatibility and marketing, right? Thus I don't need to bother you any further 🙂 you've explained much, thanks.


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    @Folgore101 said in Closing on stable – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.36:

    PS: Changing the size of the frames the problem disappears but, disabling Tab Tiling, it reappears.

    Thanks for the tip.



  • @jon but the ability to switch to the Gecko engine?
    P.S And will Vivaldi ever update for Windows XP and Vista?


  • Vivaldi Team

    @npro, you are correct. We did consider using the Firefox engine, but it was a concern for us that they were working on this big update at the same time. It felt like a bigger risk than going for Chromium at the time and I think we made the right call on this one.

    Generally I am more around here than you might realize. I want to see the comments from you all on what we need to focus on. I may not always comment, but I read a fair amount of the comments here.

    Cheers,
    Jon.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @Network , switching to the Gecko engine now would just require a lot of work. I think our efforts are better spent improving the code we are working on and adding new features, settings and anything you ask for.

    As much as we would love to update Vivaldi for XP and Vista, it is just not trivial to do, given that Chromium no longer supports those platforms. Backporting security fixes to old versions of Chromium is not easy to do, which likely means that we would be shipping with known security issues. That is something we really cannot do. I would urge for you to update any machines still running on XP and Vista to a new OS, if at all possible. Linux may be a great choice for you!

    Cheers,
    Jon.



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  • @jon: So, is it fair to guess that the (much anticipated) Vivaldi mobile browser (Android) will also be Chromium based?


  • Vivaldi Team

    @x-15a2 , you are right.

    Cheers,
    Jon.



  • @npro: I think the main issue would be the support for Chrome's extensions.



  • @jon: What about forking Chromium and building the native UI, then? Instead of using Electron.
    From my naive point of view this should solve A LOT of problems with performance.


  • Vivaldi Team

    @XtremAlRaven , we are not using Electron. The UI is built using Web standards. That allows us to work a lot faster and ensure that Vivaldi across platforms has the same functionality. In the early days of Opera we did native code only. At the time the Mac version was as much as a year behind. After we implemented Quick, which was a cross platform layer, we were able to get all platforms to the same level of functionality and develop new functionality a lot faster.

    If we were to fork Chromium, we would still have to deal with any security fixes that otherwise might compromise Vivaldi, so we would have to deal with an increasingly divergent code base. That does not make things easier. It makes it harder, so forking is a big, big decision and would require a lot more resources.

    For any speed issues you have, make sure to report them in our bug tracking system with as much details as possible. Our users have a very different experience of this and our aim is to fix any performance issues you might have with your system.

    Cheers,
    Jon.



  • @rwtete said in Closing on stable – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.36:

    keyboard always pops out when opening tab as it auto activates the address bar.

    Would "Tools/Settings/Tabs - Tab Handling - Focus Page Content on New Tab" do what you wish?



  • @jon said in Closing on stable – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.36:

    @Network , switching to the Gecko engine now would just require a lot of work. I think our efforts are better spent improving the code we are working on and adding new features, settings and anything you ask for.

    As much as we would love to update Vivaldi for XP and Vista, it is just not trivial to do [...] I would urge for you to update any machines still running on XP and Vista to a new OS, if at all possible. Linux may be a great choice for you!

    To follow up on what Jon said, I was one of the people who was very disappointed when Vivaldi dropped XP. As time has gone by and everything else also dropped XP (including Microsoft, Java, the anti-virus I was using...) - and as it ended up spending half an hour after boot just trying (and failing) to update everything - I stopped using my little netbook a couple of years ago.

    Last month, I finally decided that it was better to try installing Linux than leaving it dead in a drawer - so I managed to get Lubuntu onto it... and Vivaldi works fine now (although it is a bit slow and you should try not to open more than a couple of tabs). Plus VLC actually runs much better in Lubuntu than it ever did in Windows, so I am suddenly using it as a portable media player again!

    TLDR: I agree with Jon: give up on XP and install a "light" Linux like Lubuntu - your machine will actually run better than on Windows!



  • @npro: for me the issue is that with tiled tabs - even if performance is kind of okay (it is slow on youtube, but pretty ok on other pages) - i usually cannot navigate inside tiled tabs.

    typing an address and hitting ENTER does nothing. clicking links does nothing. even opening links in new tab does nothing.

    this isn't always the case, but few tab switches between tiled and not tiled tabs and this usually happens within first minute.

    after untiling i still cannot navigate. i have to close the tab and open new one.

    anyone can test and confirm/deny?



  • @jacekn: oh, looks like i've already commented on that and got confirmed: https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/288453

    time to report that 🙂

    edit: reported VB-52789



  • @jacekn yes it's exactly the same for me, but because I thought all of these things would be pretty obvious (and already known) to the devs and testers, I summed them up under the phrase "huge performance issues" & "insane lag and stutter". It must be also related to this "https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/36970/severe-performance-drop-of-tabs-moved-in-a-second-window/23", both must be affected by the same bug.



  • @npro: well, performance is kind of okay for me (except youtube) so i wouldn't tie these two as too obvious



  • Hey @jon any news on the webpanel scroll bar thing? i cant add more webpanels 😛


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