Stabilization starts for 2.5 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.30
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@Steffie You make a very valid point. FYI, Sopranos are not usually involved in testing the actual Snapshot builds prior to release. We do 99% of our testing with daily internal builds. That covers testing of new features, Chromium updates, etc. and we, along with Vivaldi's QA team, do the best that we can to ensure that the worst of the bugs (and really weird, subtle bugs that might slip through automated testing) are identified and fixed before Snapshots get released.
Sopranos also are not usually involved in testing Release Candidates, Stable builds, or mid-cycle Stable updates in advance... unless some item in the changelog requires extra testing.
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@xyzzy Ever since my preceding post i've felt bad, that my poor wording might have seemed like i was attacking our Sopranos. I did not mean it to be so, nor to sound so.
Instead i'm simply thrashing about here in puzzlement about how it came to be that this SS, unlike so many before it, contained such a staggeringly obvious new bug, which would/should have been exceptionally easy to spot, had
someone
only launched this "SS candidate" prior to releasing it as a formal SS. As an aside, the irony was almost laugh-out-loud funny that such a blatant unsubtle new bug should arise in a version touted as "Stabilization starts...".Though the point i'm struggling to make, & which i think Ian has been making, seems to be being comprehensively misunderstood or otherwise vociferously disagreed-with by many here from whom i'd have expected different, i continue to opine that this Extensions bug is of a fundamentally different nature to the majority we SS users have historically seen. By that i mean that many prior bugs might afflict one OS-branch only, or only a subset of users who happen to perform Thing1 after Thing2 after Thing3, or only some users who use a particular combo of Settings, etc... ie, bugs not necessarily universal, & not instantly in your face the moment V-SS launches, without actually needing to first "do" anything to force the bug to manifest.
Put another way, many historical bugs have a degree of subtlety & "hiddenness" about them, such that the SS-user community is ideally placed to discover & report them. This Extensions one however is so unambiguously "unhidden", so obvious, so blatant, that surely it's not so terribly unreasonable to suggest it could & should never have escaped out the door?
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@Steffie No worries. I understand and appreciate the frustration that's been expressed here. I also didn't take any of the comments from you (or anybody else) as attacking the Soprano team in any way. I was just sharing some insights into the testing process and pointing out what makes release candidates a bit different from other Snapshot builds.
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blatant unsubtle testing process insight is a good reminder of things like this. test buttons in new position. without regard for anything else. like them being still in the old position. thoughtful procedure is not a bug sometimes.
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@Steffie For what it's worth, developers mostly run, especially for QA, "virgin" installs of Vivaldi. That means no extensions are installed. In my case, as well, I studiously avoid running any extensions. At all. Ever.
I do run a single extension, and have done so for years, that being one to make it possible to copy text without formatting. On none of my installed instances does it show an icon.
All that said, the extensions icons regression is cosmetic, though a "disaster" for those who use numerous extensions, and it will obviously be addressed before release to Stable. These things happen if you're a Beta tester, but you roll with the punches, and within a week the "disaster" is remedied.
But I thought it might be helpful to bring up the fact that there is a reason why extension bugs are, pretty much always, invisible to developers. I will also note that SIX MINUTES after the snapshot was released, a Soprano filed a bug about the extension icons in the address bar. Six minutes. And with three exclamation points, to boot. I think the devs will be on it pretty quick.
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@Ayespy said in Stabilization starts for 2.5 – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.30:
In my case, as well, I studiously avoid running any extensions. At all. Ever.
Well do i know & remember that. I trust that you were able to clearly read between the lines when i not-so-cryptically stated
needed was a single Soprano [who uses Extensions] to fire up this candidate
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How can I move all my settings to the stable version from the snapshot version. I thought about it and I will not be using snapshots as my daily driver anymore. This isn't the first time something so obvious completely evaded all internal qa/testing layers (not even going to mention all the bugs that come back every couple of snapshots). I'm scared for my data now.
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@Dystasia In any case, whichever version you use, you should backup your user data if it is important to you; after all, you might lose your hard drive or you PC one day.
See this article on Full Reset of Vivaldi
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@Ayespy I do have one extension installed, but I only noticed the bug after I read some of the posts in this thread.
People get way too excited about non-critical bugs. This one might look ugly, but it not much more than a cosmetic issue; a minor loss of convenience at the most.
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@pesala: Thank you so much.
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@Steffie We didn't get this snapshot before you have got it and I didn't have the problems before I restarted the browser after the initial restart on install, basically 10 minutes after someone reported it here and I tried to reproduce it.
The last snapshot we've got from this series was 2.5.1525.9
After that some fixes were cherry picked and probably one was faulty, at least for this branch.Several of the errors are not in the internal version, which is from a different branch, but there are others ...
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@Steffie This is true, but in no case does a Soprano test a version prior to release. We (and you) all get it at the same time. QA runs some 600,000 automated tests and several in-person tests, but hey - not everything can be tested, especially with virgin builds. And they do have to be tested virgin, because that's the only way to weed out variables. When the devs get a regression report like this one, they test the crap out of it before the next Snapshot release. But that's why anyone and everyone can download and run a snapshot.
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@archive1: great tip, thx!
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@archive1: oops, wasn't aware that issue will be back upon next restart...
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@TerDale The devs know. We expect this to be addressed soon.
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@Ayespy OK, thanks. BTW, those pesky icons in address bar re-appear also if you open a tab in a new window, even if not present in the first one. What a mess!
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@TerDale Let's see what the next Snapshot brings...
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Stil page crash VB-52446
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@gwen-dragon: Yesterday with a profile reset, now with a guest profile, stil the dead bird
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@gwen-dragon: GPU issue, dint't about it. Whill try when I get home