From me to you: A dev’s take on Vivaldi


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    @xtremalraven: Yes, totally agree! Performance is a big weakness of Vivaldi. Especially when you are working with 20+ opened tabs all the time. Creating a new tab or opening batch links in the background takes ages! I hope we will see more performance improvements in the near futere.


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    @mozzer My installations (21 installations on 9 machines at present) are free of performance deficits. Could it be hardware-related in your case - or something to do with extensions or security software?

    Performance can always be tweaked, and the developers are always looking toward that. But the sort of thing you seem to be talking about is not typical, and not solely a trait of the Vivaldi code itself.



  • @mozzer said in From me to you: A dev’s take on Vivaldi:

    Creating a new tab or opening batch links in the background takes ages!

    I find such a statement useless because:

    1. It says nothing about what is meant by “ages.” Does it take 20 seconds to open 20 tabs in the background, or twenty minutes!
    2. It says nothing about which sites the links open
    3. It says nothing about the speed of your Internet connection.

    I opened 10 bookmarks to forum threads in 10 seconds
    I opened 26 bookmarks to YouTube videos in about 1 minute. I use Virgin Cable Broadband.

    One or two seconds per link is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.


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    @Ayespy: I really don't think it's hardware related. I confirmed that on 5 installations, with different hardware and extension configuration. Keep in mind, that at the same time Chrome/Opera/Firefox/Edge run perfectly smooth and fast. Opening new tabs is instant. Vivaldi team should take steps to catch their competitors as soon as possible.

    @pesala: Ohh, come one. I've already reported this several times with more details. Look to your bug tracker. Opening 20 tabs (doesn't matter what sites) take usually about 1-2 minutes. And believe me, my internet connection is perfectly fine. At least it's completely enough for other browsers 🙂

    @pesala said:

    I opened 10 bookmarks to forum threads in 10 seconds
    I opened 26 bookmarks to YouTube videos in about 1 minute. I use Virgin Cable Broadband.
     
    One or two seconds per link is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.

    That means the bar is set really low! Even if it's reasonable for you, looking at the comments above I'm sure it's not acceptable for a lot of users.

    I may be wrong, but it feels like opening bookmark folders is much faster than opening links live, while browsing.

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  • @mozzer said in From me to you: A dev’s take on Vivaldi:

    Look to your bug tracker.

    As you should know, the Bug-tracker is closed. I stand by my comment that your post is useless without any details of the links, the page load times, or your Internet connection.

    There is a marked difference between times for opening different sites. The same site can take twice as long to load at peak times.


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    @Pesala
    Sorry, I was convinced you have access the the bug-tracker.

    There is a marked difference between times for opening different sites. The same site can take twice as long to load at peak times.

    Well, we should distinguish webpages loading time from UI responsiveness. And all the time I was talking about the second one.

    Situation in which I have to wait several dozen seconds for the UI to handle my command (opening new tabs in this case) is unacceptable. I launch Opera 12 sometimes and I'm still impressed how fast and smooth the UI works there.

    As a true Vivaldi fan, I try to "sell" it to my family or friends. The most frequent feedback I'm receiving is about performance. Vivaldi seems a little laggy to them, compared to other browsers.


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    @mozzer said in From me to you: A dev’s take on Vivaldi:

    I launch Opera 12 sometimes and I'm still impressed how fast and smooth the UI works there.

    Opera (new) uses native elements. It does not have to build them for the UI to respond. This also means it is not and never can be as flexible and innovative as Vivaldi. Several of the functions we have and they don't, is because it is unrealistically difficult to build them with native elements. That said, Vivaldi devs are always looking for ways to do it better. In the time I've been following Vivaldi, major rewrites have sped up the UI at least twice. And individual elements of the UI have been refactored a number of times to simplify and speed the supporting routines. So there's that. And in Old Opera, the same engine rendered both the UI and the content - giving the developers complete control.

    Now - all that said, you said "several dozen seconds." Several is more than a few. A few is more than two. So four being more than three, let's say 48 seconds. I would be quite surprised to learn that you are waiting 48 seconds for anything. Here, if I middle-click to open a folder of 20 bookmarks, the UI responds immediately with the first generic icon on the tab bar, and favicons for all 20 tabs are displayed within about 4 seconds. All tabs are completely loaded in about 16 seconds. This is on a connection that can get up to 20 MBPS. I don't know about your connection speed. So I'm still not finding the conditions you're speaking of.

    In Opera, a middle-click on the same folder produces the do/don't open all these tabs selector, tell it yes, all of the tab outlines appear on the tab bar at once, filled with spinners. After 24 seconds, all tabs are still not loaded.

    I see that it's the UI responsiveness that concerns you. I, for one, am content that all my tabs are loaded in Vivaldi faster than Opera can do it.


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    @mozzer Because it just came to my attention, I would commend you to keep an eye on the next release for more work to enhance UI speed. It is an ongoing effort, and will never be far from developers' minds.



  • @Ayespy Your inside sneak previews are most of the time intriguing. 👍



  • Thanks for all the replies, the kind words, and feature requests. We are reading all your comments and are continuously working to improve Vivaldi every release 🙂



  • @tkbremnes Thank you for all your hard work.



  • Hi. I would suggest you focus on basic stuff first. For me the biggest issue is slooow opening of new windows / tabs. Here are the details:
    I've just tested the latest Vivaldi on Mac OS X 10.11.6, Core 2 Duo @ 2.5 GHz, CPU at more than 90% idle, plenty of RAM. I hit Cmd-N to open a new Vivaldi window. It takes 2 seconds for the window to appear and 2 more seconds for Speed Dial to appear. So in total 4-5 seconds until I can do something productive. That's really very slow. When I try the same in Firefox (60.6 ESR) a new window opens in about a second or less. The user experience is totally different. I like Vivaldi a lot and I'm a big fan since old Opera, but I cannot spent all my time waiting. Please focus on this and fix it rather sooner than later. It's one of the first things new users will notice and users are very sensitive to slowness. Thanks.



  • One more thing, regarding the Vivaldi blog -- I read the article on vivaldi.com/blog and wanted to comment on it. But the text said I've got to log in first. So I clicked on Login, entered my credentials and I ended up on forum.vivaldi.net -- That's quite confusing and I thought it was a bug. I went to Vivaldi blog again, opened the blog post and again I couldn't comment as the text said I've got to log in. Seriously? I clicked on Login button and ended up in forums again. That is really not good and highly confusing behaviour. Please rethink how it works. If there's a comment section under the blog post, we should be able to comment right there. Or just put a link to forums, to the exact place where we can comment on, and read other comments for, that blog post. Thanks.



  • @martinko Take the back door route: From the forum.vivaldi.net page, click Categories, then go to Announcements/Vivaldi Blog.
    Then find the Article to comment on. For example, Welcome Stas and Gratulerer med dagen!



  • @MoonDawg Thanks for the hint on workaround. But do you think this is okay? Or what is the reason it works like it does? I've never seen it anywhere else. If I'm reading an article, and I click on reply or vote up/down, I'm taken to forum's main page. Not even to that article's comment section. That feels so broken. Thanks for the reply anyway.


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    @martinko Vivaldi community devs are working on a unified login - so that wherever you are logged in, although parts of the community are on different domains and different servers at present, a single login will keep you logged in everywhere.


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    @martinko To comment on blog you need to allow Third Party Cookies. Open chrome://settings/content/cookies and add in section Allow the domain [*.]vivaldi.net.


 

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