Make a 2030 Vivaldi in 2015
sajosh last edited by
Hi Tetzchner, I love what you want to do with Vivaldi. But get real. You're going about the wrong pieces. I've used Opera since the beginning. Loved it. But by 2014 I hated it. Mostly because it's slow, and a memory hog and not innovative. I really gave it a try, even Opera beta. But now I use firefox. But that's still a memory hog. I normally have five windows with 30 tabs at a time. But I think you Jon, can do much better than your current plans for vivaldi. I'd like to help you build a 2030 browser today in 2015. Ten years ago I published a very very detailed plan for Opera to sync with mobile and desktop. Ten years later it's now a common feature ... for firefox ... opera still stinks at sync. My next prediction ... In 2030 browsers will use Complex Expert Systems and AI to predict and understand what users are going to do ... which links they'll click, which pages they'll want opened in another tab. which pages they'll want in new windows. which pages belong together. self organize the Tab Stack into separate windows. Auto size the windows based on content. Auto group tabs based on size and relevance and content theme and research area. I know the technology you need to make this 2030 browser today in 2015. Would you like my help, Jon? Regards.
GinoPerla last edited by
What did I just read? O.o
Eheh risky choices man, risky choices
noshankus last edited by
Ditto! That sounds like one annoying browser. If a browser did all that for me, I'd never use it xD
Ladiesman69 last edited by
:blink: No way I'd use that fraking thing :blink:
ThomasWrobel last edited by
I too want a futuristic browser, and while it might do some intelligent pre-cacheing, it wont try to think for me. It will, if anything, give me more direct control over my information feeds.
2030 is a land too far of to predict, so I wont go near there.
For the next 10 years though, I think focusing on AR and VR use's is a good target. No browser out there right now will be very good on Microsofts hololens, for example. They might work as flat windows - as all W10 universal apps will - but it will be a fudge to use.
You want a futuristic experience? Imagine dragging out a tab window from your monitor, and seeing it hovering beside you, or on a wall as you do something else.
THATS possible very soon (year maybe), and I think Vivaldi is in the best position to do it. Stuff like the Hololens will be (relatively) low res and low fov at first, so having dynamic style for UI gives Valavi a real head start making things nice to use.
Personally I cant wait to have a little GChat window open hovering in the air, as I do some 3d modeling work (litterally) on my desk.
sajosh last edited by
You're absolutely right. Pre-fetching (and as a result pre-cacheing) is what I'm describing. Thanks for clearing that up.
Hi Vivaldi team,
I'm not describing anything magical and mystical as other posters have imagined. I'm suggesting using current technology to intelligently pre-fetch information. Try it out … Start typing something into google.com and you'll notice that not only does google auto-suggest but it also pre-fetches information based on the first word. Then it erases and fetches another page based on the second word. etc.
When doing research i often open all the search results into separate tabs. It would be great to remove all memory hog ads and non essential items from all those newly opened tabs. Then what i do is go through each open tab for what I'm looking for. It typically takes me a few seconds to scan for relevance.
If relevant then I click links on the relevant tabs. These would be the prefetched content that would give the illusion of futuristic, much like google's auto suggest.
For those who stay signed into google.com (I don't), you'll notice that google collects all browsing history so it can serve even more precise results but (more importantly for google) to serve more targeted ads.
Taking that concept and putting that on my own private machine as opposed to in a companies' possession is what I'm also talking about. Nothing magical about that. Then adding layers of currently available Expert Systems to help predict the links to pre-fetch would be extremely helpful. Already we can remove banner ad links and remove menu links, etc and just focus on the content sections' links to narrow the pre-fetch area. This will give the illusion of intelligence.
More intelligence from our applications is what we should focus on. All the big players are hiring AI experts to help do just that. Now let's get the browser to do just that.
Self-organizing tabs based on today's heuristics and stochastic math will give the illusion of intelligence.
We have high processing speeds sitting idle.
Intelligent pre-fetch and self-organization would make V superior ... given that all the basics are already built in, of course.
As for the catchy title, i'm just trying to spark some realistic imaginations.