More Controls for Picture in Picture

Nekomajin

@7twenty
Do you use the native window frame feature in Vivaldi? It could be tied to that switch.

7twenty

@Nekomajin said in More Controls for Picture in Picture:

@7twenty
Do you use the native window frame feature in Vivaldi? It could be tied to that switch.

No, but it's not that.

sirien.neiris

Changes in PIP in V2.9 made me come here... I'd really appreciate:

Big PLAY/PAUSE button in the center of PIP (instead of that small button at the bottom)
Option to NOT apply MUTE OTHER TABS for PIP
- sound controls would be great, btw

I also found that the fact that "back t tab" botton doesn't focus the original tab is reported as a bug - but I like it that way, so may be if it could stay as an option?

And btw. is there any reason why PIP size is limited? (This may sound weird, but the question makes sense when you are working on 2+ monitors and you put the PIP onto another monitor...)

Catweazle

You can adjust video size, dragging the corners of the video window to the size you want. Works for me

Pesala

@sirien-neiris If you are using two monitors (I do) it makes no sense to use PiP. Just go fullscreen on the secondary monitor. The point of PiP is that it overlays the browser window so that you can watch video while reading / editing on a web page. The maximum size is about 960 x 640, but I see no reason why it should be limited. Some users now have very large monitors.

sirien.neiris

@Pesala no offense, but if it was more comfortable for me in my workflow to create a new Vivaldi window on another monitor, I'd do it. Throwing a tab out isn't that hard. Except when the tab is pinned. Which sometimes is my case. But often it doesn't work for me that well even when the tab isn't pinned. I just want to - sometimes - move the PiP to another monitor for a while. And there to make it a little bigger. (Yes, I do multitask a lot.)

Also the thing is, that I kinda fail to see why the size limit even exist in a first place.

skjerns

that would be so great!

somMelon

I agree with every suggestion OP made. Additionally, I would like to have a default picture in picture size setting, or just have it remember my previous one, because now, when I first open a video in PIP I always have to make it bigger to actually see something.

LonM

Progress bar available in latest snapshot

Hadden89

It still miss (in video) subtitles support, but is on the good way ^^

dodger

@LonM There is no any knob or marker at progress bar. You can't move it with holding the left mouse button, as in the main window.

Pesala

@dodger It beats me why anyone needs this on a PiP window. You can click anywhere on the progress bar to restart from there.

I thought the point of a PiP window was so that one can watch a video while working on something else in a tab: reading, writing, searching or whatever.

If one wants to relax and just watch the video set it to fullscreen and have the full set of controls.

dodger

@Pesala Clicking this is not so convenient while searching for the right place, since it is not visible at what time the cursor moves. The slider knob is a necessary element of the video interface. Why castrate and make half-hearted solutions? Why not to do the same as in the main window?
p.s. Now I checked. Damn! If you turn off the display of the PIP button in the settings, then the progress bar stops working correctly even by clicking.

In Opera, developers did not infringe on users and duplicated the function, giving users the ability to quickly navigate the video by holding the left mouse button.
What is it with the Vivaldi developers?

Pesala

@dodger There is a tooltip on the progress bar showing the time. The PiP window is still work in progress. The essential features are there. Some more controls would be nice to have.

Turning off the PiP icon in settings disable the PiP window entirely. A restart is required for the setting to take effect.

I suspect the Opera devs just used the built-in Chrome function, but Vivaldi devs had to build it from scratch.

Hadden89

@Pesala I don't think so. If I recall correctly, Opera had PIP before than Chrome.
I think Vivaldi instead is using the standard PIP API and adding the controls (which is fine).
(Or maybe "forked" the standard API. But only a dev can answer to this)

dodger

@Pesala In main window an in Opera PIP time under cursor showing immediately in Vivaldi after 1 sec.

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(Opera PIP)

Turning off the PiP icon in settings disable the PiP window entirely. A restart is required for the setting to take effect.

It's seems it's doesn't work like that that you wrote.
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If you remove the flag from this setting and restart Vivaldi, and then call PIP, then clicking on the progress bar in the PIP window does't work correctly even with a simple left-click.

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(Attempts to left-click)

dodger

Other issue:
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That's more useful placement (to keep current/total time value close to each other):
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(Opera)

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(Youtube main window)

Komposten

@Pesala said in More Controls for Picture in Picture:

@dodger It beats me why anyone needs this on a PiP window. You can click anywhere on the progress bar to restart from there.

I thought the point of a PiP window was so that one can watch a video while working on something else in a tab: reading, writing, searching or whatever.

If one wants to relax and just watch the video set it to fullscreen and have the full set of controls.

I absolutely abuse YouTube's 10 sec, 5 sec and 1 frame back/forward keyboard shortcuts while watching videos, because there are often things I want to re-watch for various reasons. Just because I have a video in PiP it doesn't mean that I don't want to do the same; especially considering that I'm more likely to miss things when I'm focusing on something else.

Being able to easily skip back and forwards in a video quickly and efficiently is vital for me to be able to watch a video in the way I want to. Clicking on the progress bar to jump to a specific time stamp does not provide a easy and efficient way of skipping back/forwards. It requires precise mouse positioning, which takes more time and effort than just clicking a button/hotkey, and if the video is 1+ hours long the difference between jumping 5 seconds and 5 minutes back in time is just a couple of pixels.

So far I've abused the fact that clicking anywhere on the left side of the progress metre skips like 5 seconds back in time, and clicking on the right 5 seconds forward. At least that's how it works in my Vivaldi.

Endor8

I definitely miss some form of seeking controls for PiP, since it's a very frequent occurrence when watching a video as a secondary task that you may want to rewatch/listen to something interesting you just missed by focusing elsewhere.

In some sites, like YouTube, pressing Left/Right while PiP is focused seems to pass those keys through to the main window and do the seeking, but it's not consistent across all sites, nor reliable.

Also, since the PiP window doesn't accept keyboard input unless focused (why?), it's not possible to automate this seeking with tools like AutoHotkey, unless you clumsily focus the window, send keys, and focus back, which leads to classic focus issues.

The only gesture I've been able to assign to a hotkey is play/pause by sending a fake click to the buton (Global play/pause shortcut is broken if you have more than one tab offering playback, since it's not always consumed by the currently playing tab).
If there were seeking buttons, I could also workaround seeking with them, but ideally the PiP window should receive keyboard input when not focused, as all windows.

It's technically possible to automate seeking by sending fake clicks to the right position within the seek bar, but I really don't want to do that.

pauloaguia

@Endor8 said in More Controls for Picture in Picture:

If there were seeking buttons, I could also workaround seeking with them, but ideally the PiP window should receive keyboard input when not focused, as all windows.

Are you sure that's how your system works? For instance, if I have a text editor open but not in focus and press Ctrl+S, then the file does not get saved. As a matter of fact, if multiple windows not in focus knew how to handle similar shortcuts, how would the operating system know which one to send the shortcut to?