Vivaldi on the Edge



  • I just wonder if Vivaldi might use the EdgeHTML in the future (from Spartan/Edge). Gecko and Chromium/Blink are just not up to the job, and Presto is out of question at the moment. I would like to use Vivaldi as my main browser but it's just to slow and limited (I know it's not a beta yet but will be soon). Currently I still use old Opera - no other browser offers so much and for so little. It says something when a few years old program without updates is better than current ones. And for the few problematic sites I use IE. It's a really good browser now. But it's very limited (the Trident one). It's good just for viewing sites. If it offered at least some of old Opera's functionality it would be my main browser. Microsoft got a lot of bad press from Mozilla and Google, but currently IE is a really good browser. I can understand their motives in changing name to Edge but I think they should have kept the old one.



  • Edge (still called spartan on build 10122) looks like a nice browser, that resembles a lot Opium and Vivaldi, and I'm sure it will improved and will be light years better than IE

    And sure its rendering engine could be adopted by other browsers.

    But the single platform support is a no go for any browser that aims to be available on Linux, Mac, Android and so on.

    But never say never. I think the actual MS is way different from the company we used to know.

    Open sourcing IE was just science fiction, open sourcing Edge or even a big part of Windows could be an option they take in account.

    We will see…



  • If Vivaldi decides to change it's engine at some point in the future, I hope it's a multi-threaded engine instead of multi-process one like Blink/Edge. Not to mention Edge is proprietary so they would have to pay M$ to use it.



  • @GrandGamer:

    Not to mention Edge is proprietary so they would have to pay M$ to use it.

    No, that's not a problem.

    Is plenty of Windows only browser that are using Trident, w/o any legal trouble.

    The problem is that Edge's engine runs just on windows.



  • Why would Edge be better then Blink anyway?
    Is there benchmarks out yet that show it preform better?

    Seems a bit earlier to tell surely :?

    My two cents is simply Vivaldi should be built on whatever is the most flexible. Windows10 is looking to be a hell of a impressive OS, and with Windows10 universal apps being built (as a option) on css/js Vivaldi might even have a head start (Vavaldi = the first Hololens browser?). But not sure Edge is anything special beyond "not being IE."



  • @ThomasWrobel:

    But not sure Edge is anything special beyond "not being IE."

    That alone is a really good starting point.



  • @ThomasWrobel:

    Why would Edge be better then Blink anyway?
    Is there benchmarks out yet that show it preform better?

    Seems a bit earlier to tell surely :?

    My two cents is simply Vivaldi should be built on whatever is the most flexible. Windows10 is looking to be a hell of a impressive OS, and with Windows10 universal apps being built (as a option) on css/js Vivaldi might even have a head start (Vavaldi = the first Hololens browser?). But not sure Edge is anything special beyond "not being IE."

    Actually there are benchmarks that show the opposite, Edge is worse than Blink and Gecko. Some users on r/Windows 10 have run benchmarks on Edge.



  • @GrandGamer:

    Actually there are benchmarks that show the opposite, Edge is worse than Blink and Gecko.

    Actually the link you provided shows the opposite to what you wrote - good results for Spartan.

    Some benchmarks show very good performance of the Edge. But let's wait to real world usage. Chrome and Firefox had some good benchmark results but were slow compared to the old Opera. And lacking basic functions and even slower with addons.

    Latest IE is a really good browser for viewing sites. But useless for advanced browsing (same as Firefox and Chrome - unless you've got time and knowledge to tinker with them but most people don't).



  • I'm still using the old Opera. But the Edge looks promising.
    Firefox and Chrome really disappoint. It's time they rewrite their engines too.
    It's sad that Presto had to go and didn't get a second chance :(



  • Thanks to the smart design choices (React.js and CSS) it should be relatively easier changing engine for Vivaldi than for other browsers.



  • Vivaldi really needs to improve Blink. Or move to different engine. Because it's barely usable now.



  • @Sajadi:

    One just has to wait and see :D

    And yet, waiting and seeing was the one thing many disgruntled Opera users were unwilling to extend to the new Opera development. So now we sit here being told to wait and watch. Sounds a little hypocritical to me. :P



  • @GrandGamer:

    If Vivaldi decides to change it's engine at some point in the future, I hope it's a multi-threaded engine instead of multi-process one like Blink/Edge. Not to mention Edge is proprietary so they would have to pay M$ to use it.

    Right now the only multi-threaded engine I can think of is Mozilla Servo and that is 1-2 years away.



  • Honestly, I think Blink is pretty good for the moment. I don't see the actual Edge rendering engine being ported over to other platforms any time soon. Considering it is a fork of Trident and still has a lot of Windows specific code in it.

    Right now, Chrome is pretty bad, IMHO. However, I think there are underlying issues with the actual browser and not the rendering engine. (I am no expert in the Chromium source code.) On my Retina MBP, Opera is smoothest and most stable browser (that and Firefox). Chrome, OTOH, is pretty bad at lagging and freezing.

    The only decent alternative at this point would Mozilla Gecko. Firefox has became noticeably faster and stable than Chrome. However, Gecko's code base is far more complicated than Blink's. If the Vivaldi team switched to Gecko, then they would have rewrite their browser.

    As for Presto, sadly it is dead. Besides, Presto was falling behind before Opera decided to 'give up the ghost' and go to Blink. New features haven't been added for almost 2 years. Blink gives the Vivaldi devs an opportunity to focus on actually putting in new browser features instead of trying to keep the engine up to date. Blink is also in the majority right now.

    Overall, Vivaldi is doing things that have never been done in a Webkit/Blink or Trident/Edge browser. Like the actual browser chrome being rendered by the browser frame. Being able to customize the UI with CSS. Essentially, Vivaldi has the advantages of Blink, but at the same time has most of the customizability of Firefox.



  • @GrandGamer:

    If Vivaldi decides to change it's engine at some point in the future, I hope it's a multi-threaded engine instead of multi-process one like Blink/Edge.

    Lol, what?
    Its not an 'either or' type of thing. Those are not two distinct categories, every browser on the market today is multi-threaded.

    You should really get away from the idea that having a single process for all your tabs is going to improve performance. ITS NOT!
    Single process means less RAM consumption, but it also means slower performance and less stable software.

    Guess what Mozilla is testing extensively at the moment? A multi-process Firefox. (Check out the latest nightly, it runs much smoother)



  • @YemSalat:

    Guess what Mozilla is testing extensively at the moment? A multi-process Firefox, which runs much faster then the single-process one. (Check out the latest nightly, it runs much smoother)

    Is Nightly Firefox multi-processed?


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