Solved Support Extensions
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@EpicMaker , it is true that Kiwi supports extensions, but not very well and it is not without problems when installing them. It is one of the reasons why I have left it as a second
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@EpicMaker dude, Vivaldi Android was only released less than 4 months ago. The beta version wasn't even out 2 years ago. So while this thread may be that old, the browser itself isn't. Firefox has enormous resources at its disposal in comparison to Vivaldi, so expecting Vivaldi to develop at a similar pace is not managing your expectations well. Kiwi sat on an ancient version of Chromium for the better part of a year because it wouldn't work with an up-to-date version. I also wouldn't use that as an example of good product development. I'll deal without my favorite extensions before I choose to use an insecure browser.
It's a very small dev team that builds Vivaldi. Yet they've pretty much always released stable software. I was very impressed with the beta version of Vivaldi Android in that respect -- some novel features and a fairly bug free beta. You just gotta exercise some patience, but if past results are any indicator of future performance, that patience will be rewarded. It took some time for Vivaldi Android to become publicly available; but when it did, it was already good enough to become my daily driver on my phone.
But yeah, Vivaldi Android was released on April 22, 2020, not 2 years ago.
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Since Firefox fucked bookmarks Vivaldi is my only hope.
But I'm between a rock and a hard place Use the god awful firefox but have ublock origin. Or use Vivaldi and be stuck with their awful pseudo blocker
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@m-e You can use UBO in Vivaldi...
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@iAN-CooG Oops.
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@m-e said in Support Extensions:
awful pseudo blocker
The UI may not be as polished as UBO, but you can add all the same filter lists you use in UBO to Vivaldi's native blocker. I've even exported my custom filters and added those to Vivaldi Android. In terms of functionality, "awful" doesn't really seem to be a fitting description.
Of course, personally, I still am waiting patiently for extension support, as uMatrix is an important part of my blocking toolkit, and no filter-based blocker replicates its functionality. But at least Vivaldi provides this, which most browsers don't, and it certainly alleviated my ad & tracker woes to a reasonable extent; enough that using Firefox isn't even a consideration.
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I find to my horror that videos autoplay, with no setting or extension to disable that. I wish only for the ability to block ads and autoplay, and to have new tabs open in a home page of my choosing (a custom HTML bookmark file). Vivaldi manages the tabs fine but fails on extensions.
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Hi, when all need this why the request has only 2 votes since June (except mine).
Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin said in Support Extensions:
Hi, when all need this why the request has only 2 votes since June (except mine).
Cheers, mib
You put too much faith in people's capacity to read & follow instructions. Still, it's the number 1 voted feature request for Android, the desire for extension support is clear.
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@Catweazle said in Support Extensions:
In the PC version, most Chrome Store extensions are already redundant.
oh come on, if chromium API wasn't broken by design I'd install even gestures extension as rockers are still not configurable
V is barely scratching surface, while it has the most built in it lacks tons of things and with chromium API it will never change (too little resources to make everything native and API is next to useless)sure, with native support for userscripts and userstyles a lot of extensions can be replaced with these but that's still only the tip of an iceberg
uBO won't work properly on chromium API and afaik (sadly) it won't be implemented fully, gestures won't work properly on chromium API and rockers are waiting for configuration for years already and so on
proper extensions API is more important than built in features as it allows every user to decide themselves who they want to trust and what they want to have
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@BoneTone
with the built in Add block I still get served adds.uBlock origin on the other hand is
spot on
always up to date
100% accurate (my experience)Why reinvent the wheel? You built an awesome browser let others focus on addblock.
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@m-e Not to be a jerk, but it's "ad," not "add." There are no addvertisements. Only Advertisements.
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@m-e Native ad-blocking was one of the most requested features for the Android version of the browser. Whipping together that feature was simpler than implementing full scale extension support (which is now the most requested feature on Android). Once implemented in Android, it's not much work to port it to the desktop browser.
uBlock Origin doesn't do anything special to identify which ads to block, that's taken care of by the filters which, unless you've created your own custom filters, it's driven by the third-party filter lists you have subscribed to in uBlock Origin. (In fact, gorhill denies any attempts to donate to his projects, and instead suggests that people donate to the maintainers of the filter lists as their workload is much larger and without them users would have a very large task on their hands to create the filters themselves.) If you add the same filter lists to the native ad blocker, they'll be blocked there too.
The simplest thing would simply be to look at the lists enabled in uBlock Origin and add them into Vivaldi's blocker. One could also use the logger in UBO to see which filter(s) block that ad, to identify the specific list(s) which include a relevant filter.
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@BoneTone obviously native has great chances of being faster as it doesn't have to go through all extension APIs, but to be actually better it has to be functionally equivalent at least, if it's not everyone gonna install uBO ASAP anyway
on mobile it's especially important to block all third party requests by default but that's not available yet (if ever) -
@zakius said in Support Extensions:
functionally equivalent at least, if it's not everyone gonna install uBO ASAP anyway
No, it really doesn't. First of all, nobody can install uBlock Origin, or any other ad/tracker blocking extension -- this feature request is for Android. Secondly, on the desktop people install extensions that aren't functionally equivalent uBlock Origin to use as their blocker instead. There are numerous people unaware of uBlock Origin, many of them install AdBlock Plus, to which the native ad blocker is already superior in my opinion.
You and I are not the model for everybody. For me, the native blocker would have to exceed the functionally of uBlock Origin for it to replace the extensions I use to block ads & mitigate against tracking. uBlock Origin, as great as it is, is insufficient in itself; gorhill's other extension, uMatrix, actually does most of the heavy lifting for me, yet even with these working together there are still other extensions necessary to achieve the level of hardening I do.
Native ad blocking doesn't need to be superior (or at minimum equivalent) to every extension on the planet to be useful, especially when considering the vast differences among Vivaldi's userbase. There are lots of features of Vivaldi that I don't use, but that doesn't make them worthless. Even though I don't use native ad & tracker blocking (on the desktopβ‘) and would personally have preferred they spend their time on other things, that doesn't prevent me from recognizing the value native blocking adds to the browser, especially this browser (Vivaldi Android).
β‘ On Android, I'm very thankful for having the native ad & tracker blocking as it alleviated my greatest pain point from the beta version. uBlock Origin extended the ABP filter syntax, but I don't think I have created any custom filters which make use of those extensions, and so I'm able to block most things I normally would, and this feature is in its infancy. It serves well as a very good stop gap until full extension support is released.
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that's what I'm saying: either do it right or not at all, especially for features that are provided by extensions already
for that reason proper extension API (chromium API nor WE can be called proper but that's another topic) should be prioritized, being able to do literally anything thanks to extensions made Firefox the most powerful browser on the market, despite Opera having much more stuff built in
but on FF you could install (or create!) extension to extend (duh) browser capabilities while in Opera you could at best keep asking devs to add it
and due to chromium API limitations desktop V is pretty much on the same page and mobile is exactly the samehence: extensions, at the very least chromium as it should be reasonably doable to port while proper API takes time to surface
and I do agree, uMatrix has more power and if I could I'd direct built in blocker to be uM with filter lists support, but using both uM and uBO is a hassle, quite much of overhead and uM on mobile barely usable while uBO works quite well (not on V obviously)
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Yandex Browser on Android has ability to install Chrome extensions.
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This would be a welcome addition to Vivaldi on Android.