Some Hope…


  • Moderator

    My greatest anxiety regarding VIvaldi is the chance it might not succeed. By succeed, I mean become a permanent part of the web landscape, continue to be developed, continue to offer the types of features that cause hundreds of minorities (in terms of use-case type) to aggregate into a substantial user base. I see signs of hope, however. We're still, if my informal glances tell me right, adding more than a hundred registered users to this forum each day, and in the range of a thousand new registered forum participants every week. I remain convinced that the number of actual users is in the range of ten to twenty users per registered forum users. Why? Because a minority of customers of any given product ever bother to join communities for that product. I have used IE, Chrome, Firefox, Otter, Netscape, Opera, Vivaldi, Sleipnir, Qupzilla, SlimJet, etc. but have only ever joined communities for Opera, Vivaldi, and (ONLY to give a user there a piece of my mind) Otter. Using a browser doesn't mean you are a member of its community. And by comparison of enthusiasm for the product, NONE of the above have generated the type of enthusiasm that Vivaldi has recently. I have been active on the Opera forums/blogs more or less continuously since around 2000 or so. I joined in 1996, I think. These days, I can pretty much guarantee you there are nothing close to half a million users who check in regularly to the blog. As far as contributors, I recognize the names of over 95% of them every week/month. STILL, they lay claim to 55 million users and climbing (including Opera 12 users). (Of course Opera is installed by default on a number of mobile handsets, so that helps them). Vivaldi says they were downloaded 400,000 times in the first week. I believe that. We have been watching the registered userbase grow by more than 2.3 percent per week since then, so if only half of the initial users kept using the browser (and I think that's conservative, given the reasons so many showed up in the first place), there are, at a BARE MINIMUM (and I think this vastly under-estimates the user base) a quarter-million-plus confirmed users, before the browser even reaches Beta. Personally, I think there are many more - probably over a million by now - especially given the dynamics that drove in the first wave of business, including the 22 million people or so who have never quit using Opera 12 because they just could not acclimate to Opera 15 et seq. So, long story short, I think there's a real market for this browser, and I think the crew are doing a good enough job to retain public interest. I think there is hope.



  • bookmarks all the way, can't live without them
    i use both, speed dial and bookmarks


  • Moderator

    I think you accidentally responded to the wrong posting, but I support your statement 100%. I think we have established that current and potential Vivaldi users are equally fans of a good Speed Dial and of Bookmarks as well.



  • The future is bleak.
    There are over 5000 bug reports. But at the beginning same bugs were reported multiple times so actual number of bugs is lower. The 90% of work is done by 10% of people. So there are around 100 people with double digit number of bug reports. And about 10 times as much people with one or two bug reports. There's also some people that never report and don't post on forum - but for them Vivaldi is just a novelty and not a main browser.
    You write about new registrations. Most people join, write one or two comments and disappear. Posts get no more than 100 unique views.
    Also there are some spam bots occasionally. Send some interesting PMs.


  • Moderator

    Good thing to learn that you know so much more about the internet, browsers, and entrepreneurial business models than does Jon. I'm sure he'd gladly pay you some of the multi-millions he has made in these areas for your wisdom - because obviously, the co-founder of the fifth-most successful browser company in the world, who piloted it to a position of global reach and substantial profits is a complete fool, and you, whom no one has heard of before your 37 posts in the Vivaldi forums attacking the work of people who are actually making something, are a genius.

    Have a nice day :)



  • @hondac:

    The future is bleak.

    I don't post here much. Other than to show how to install Vivaldi can be installed in some obscure distros.
    But I can recognize a negative-shill when I hear one. Down here on the Mexican Border. We do not look gift horses in the mouth.

    Either lead, follow, or get out of the way.

    Happy Trailz, Rok



  • @hondac:

    The future is bleak.
    There are over 5000 bug reports. But at the beginning same bugs were reported multiple times so actual number of bugs is lower. The 90% of work is done by 10% of people. … There's also some people that never report and don't post on forum - but for them Vivaldi is just a novelty and not a main browser.
    You write about new registrations. Most people join, write one or two comments and disappear. Posts get no more than 100 unique views. Also there are some spam bots occasionally. ...

    Your logic is strange at best and faulty at worst. First, where is there any kind of predictable link between number of bug reports and determining overall number of browser users - and if so, what are the parameters of that link, for Vivaldi or any other browser? Second, what does something akin to the Pareto Principle (80%/20%) regarding bug reporting have to do with projecting an actual number of browser users? And what assurance is there that such a principle even applies to Vivaldi's bug reporting - if so, what is your source for that assurance?

    Third, as far as "people that report and don't post on forum", those are not just restricted to those people finding "Vivaldi is just a novelty and not a main browser" simply because you assert it. In reality, most people who heavily use any browser (or other software product) neither report bugs nor post in forums. Counting numbers of unique views of posts says nothing about how many people use a browser; moreover, when new threads cause posting indices rather quickly to scroll prior threads off the bottom of the first screen, the "uniques" for a given post will almost always be bounded, regardless of forum or topic or member numbers. While it may (or may not) be true that many "people join and write one or two comments and disappear," it is an unsubstantiated claim that "most" people do so - where is your proof with regard to Vivaldi?


  • Moderator

    Don't bother asking for proof. You are addressing someone who dwells in the realm of assumption and supposition.

    If I had just a soupçon more self control, I would not have bothered to answer the comment at all. But since it was in response to cone of my own comments, I felt compelled.


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