General impressions with Vivaldi



  • [b]Suggestions:[/b] 1. Performance, performance and performance again. 2. When using native window, put tabs in the program bar, instead of the empty blue bar like in the picture above. 3. Put all processes under one main process in the task manager view. Everything is now scattered. [url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7a696du64gd76q/Screenshot%202015-04-29%2017.13.02.png?dl=0]Pic[/url] and [url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/w09rnql3x6zf2e1/Screenshot%202015-04-29%2017.13.50.png?dl=0]pic[/url]. 4. It is not possible to rearrange tabs. Make it possible. 5. A quick color transition when changing tabs would look better. 6. Right button click in the speed dial to change site's icon. 7. Do not expand width of tabs, once one of them is closed. Just like in Firefox. 8. Speed dial extensions. Like the ones we had in Opera 12. 9. Make settings dialog for advanced users (I guess the majority of Vivaldi users) with the possibility to tweak as many parts of the browser as possible. 10. The text that was typed in the search field should stay in the tab it was typed in. To give a better impression of what I think let's say in tab A from the search field I search for [i]the best browser[/i]. Then I proceed to open another tab B and search there for [i]sexy women[/i]. When I go back to tab A I want to see [i]the best browser[/i] in the search field, when I go to tab B, I want to see [i]sexy women[/i] in the search field and when I create a new tab C, I want to see the search field empty. I think this was in the old Opera. [b]Questions:[/b] 1. Will it be possible to have normal extensions in the panel? Let's say I want to have a to-do list (e.g. Wunderlist) with full functionality in there. instead of some kind of pop-up button. 2. Will the mail client support Gmail, Outlook, etc? [u][i]I'll be updating this post later.[/i][/u] I like the direction you're heading, Vivaldi. Be open to our suggestions and you'll have a small community, which loves you more than anything else.



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    #4 is currently possible.

    I drag tabs to an alternate order every day, because new tabs open on the far right of all tabs, but I usually want them next to the currently focused active tab.



  • Good list of suggestions. Many of them have already been suggested, and I'm sure most of them will happen. I already replied here to your first post in the Vivaldi for Windows forum, so I'll only mention a couple of things here. Maybe most important, given your concerns, is that Vivaldi is being designed with maximum customizability as a goal (which is why I'm confident most of what you're looking for should be possible, especially the UI features/functions).

    But one that I don't think will be possible is your request for the Task Manager view. That is a Windows Task Manager function, not a Vivaldi function, and AFAIK any Chromium-based browser will appear similarly in Windows Task Manager. However, some of what you might be looking for is probably better viewed in Vivaldi's own Task Manager (Menu > Tools > Task Manager).

    If you're not already familiar with it, you might also check out Sysinternals Process Explorer (in addtion to or in lieu of Windows Task Manager). Personally, I have both running all the time, but mostly use Process Explorer, and much prefer its parent-child tree view of Vivaldi, which is what I think you're looking for.



  • @davesnothere:

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    #4 is currently possible.

    I drag tabs to an alternate order every day, because new tabs open on the far right of all tabs, but I usually want them next to the currently focused active tab.

    Well I just tried and I really can't rearrange. Maybe there's an extra button I need to press, or maybe you've played with some settings?

    @gdveggie:

    Good list of suggestions. Many of them have already been suggested, and I'm sure most of them will happen. I already replied here to your first post in the Vivaldi for Windows forum, so I'll only mention a couple of things here. Maybe most important, given your concerns, is that Vivaldi is being designed with maximum customizability as a goal (which is why I'm confident most of what you're looking for should be possible, especially the UI features/functions).

    But one that I don't think will be possible is your request for the Task Manager view. That is a Windows Task Manager function, not a Vivaldi function, and AFAIK any Chromium-based browser will appear similarly in Windows Task Manager. However, some of what you might be looking for is probably better viewed in Vivaldi's own Task Manager (Menu > Tools > Task Manager).

    If you're not already familiar with it, you might also check out Sysinternals Process Explorer (in addtion to or in lieu of Windows Task Manager). Personally, I have both running all the time, but mostly use Process Explorer, and much prefer its parent-child tree view of Vivaldi, which is what I think you're looking for.

    Ah, just like I thought, that the process thing might be related to the engine. But who knows, maybe they'll still find a workaround. It really only matters to me now, only because I have a limited RAM space, and I constantly need to keep an eye on it. Is there a plan for features to be added? Like a timeline for future updates? It'd be nice to see when will Vivaldi become usable.



  • @Dainius:

    @davesnothere:

    #4 is currently possible.

    I drag tabs to an alternate order every day, because new tabs open on the far right of all tabs, but I usually want them next to the currently focused active tab.

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    Well I just tried and I really can't rearrange. Maybe there's an extra button I need to press, or maybe you've played with some settings?

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    Just drag and drop. - No tweaking was required, IIRC.

    I use the Win32 edition. - Which one do YOU have installed ?
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  • I'm using the same one. Clearly this is a bug.


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    Try with a clean profile. Maybe your profile is bugged.



  • @Dainius:

    Ah, just like I thought, that the process thing might be related to the engine. But who knows, maybe they'll still find a workaround. It really only matters to me now, only because I have a limited RAM space, and I constantly need to keep an eye on it. Is there a plan for features to be added? Like a timeline for future updates? It'd be nice to see when will Vivaldi become usable.

    I don't think there will be a "workaround" for the multiple vivaldi.exe processes, as that is the intentional design model of Chromium-based browsers. One of its ostensible advantages is that (when working properly) an individual tab or plugin can crash without crashing the whole browser. I haven't seen that much (or maybe at all ?) yet with Vivaldi, and both I and many other users have reported occasional complete browser crashes (particularly several snapshot versions back, maybe around v1.0.138.4 or v1.0.141.2 IIRC). But I suspect that is more a result of the immature state of the browser than anything having to do with the multi-process model.

    A more common scenario is the browser window disappearing but all the vivaldi.exe processes continuing to run… ...Or exiting Vivaldi, but all the vivaldi.exe processes continuing to run. This is where I really prefer Process Explorer over Windows Task Manager, because in PE it is very easy to identify the parent vivaldi.exe process and kill the whole parent-child process tree all at once.

    (BTW, at least once I had this scenario where it seemed like the Vivaldi window had crashed, and all the Vivaldi processes were still running, but it turned out the Vivaldi window was still "on" the Windows "Desktop" but at coordinates so far off the viewable portion of the Desktop (i.e., something like 33,000, 33,000) that it obviously couldn't be seen. In this instance I was able to locate and center the window using Nirsof't's WinLister, and then continue using Vivaldi. I've encountered this kind of funky, buggy window-jumps-way-off-the-viewable-desktop behavior with other software maybe 4-5 times over the past 10-12 years, and I wonder if it might account for at least some of the similar reports by other users in the forum.)

    Getting back to using Vivaldi with the limited resources on your machine, all I can say is, "I feel your pain." :P That's the whole reason I started Vivaldi on modest older hardware thread I mentioned in my reply in your other thread: so we users could compare our experiences. It seems clear that in its current evolutionary stage Vivaldi cannot manage the same number of open tabs as, for example, Opera 12.x on my modest machine. (Vivaldi definitely performs much better on my 8GB RAM 64-bit Win7 laptop, but I haven't used it much yet on that machine, and haven't loaded it up with multiple tabs to test its limits.)

    But I don't think the multiple vivaldi.exe processes is the culprit as much as the current inefficiency of Vivaldi (maybe especially its intensive GPU usage and its poor caching efficiency, but I'm not certain of that). When I compare total CPU, RAM, and pagefile usage in Vivaldi with Opera 12.x it isn't at all clear at a glance which is using more resources; but with Opera 12.x, they are are utilized by a single process. (Maybe sometime when I get a chance I'll compare the total number of threads and handles in Vivaldi and Opera 12.x… ...don't know if that will reveal anything or not.)

    Unfortunately, there isn't yet a list of projected Vivaldi features or a timeline for their arrival. There have been a few comments in the forum that a beta version (i.e., basically feature-complete, debugging only) might be ready by the end of 2015. It seems those remarks were made maybe back in about February (?) and I don't know what they were based on, but from my relatively ignorant non-programmer perspective that seems like a reasonable projection to me.

    FWIW, IMO development is proceeding quite rapidly (certainly much faster than the last 2 years of Opera 15+ development), so I'm really pleased with that. At this point i feel I can use it for casual browsing and reading/posting in this forum. But my workhorse is still Opera 12.x and there are features (some in process and some not yet even on the horizon for Vivaldi) that will need to be in place and functioning reliably before I could fully switch over.

    BTW, I didn't respond to item (4) earlier, partly because davesnothere already had, but more because I don't recall anyone else reporting they couldn't rearrange tabs, so I thought maybe you meant you couldn't rearrange the tab order inside a tab stack the way you wanted, as mentioned in your first post in the Vivaldi for Windows forum. I haven't checked back in that thread yet, but just wanted to suggest (like An_dz) a quick test by trying a fresh standalone installation to a new folder (see Advanced Options on the installer UI). (Or I guess you could try temporarily renaming your profile folder and let Vivaldi create a new default profile.)



  • Keep up the good work! This is a good browser. :)


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