"Add Bookmark" pop-up window wishes



  • When saving a new bookmark: 1. INDENT SUB-FOLDERS: Bookmarks sub folders (like Speed Dial folder, for instance) should be indented (placed slightly on the right) in the cascading menu, compared to the folder they are contained into, so that the hierarchy would be clearly visible. Now they are NOT indented and you can't understand folder hierarchy looking at the select menu: they all seem "root" directories, while they aren't. 2. CREATE NEW FOLDER: the pop-up window should definitely allow to create a new folder into the bookmarks hierarchy, so that I could create the folder and save the bookmark in it. I'm really surprised: aren't bookmarks a flagship feature in Vivaldi? newscpq


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    Bookmarking and bookmark managing routines are harder to write than you imagine. I've yet to see anyone get
    it pretty much right with less than a few years invested in the process. In this respect, Vivaldi is actually ahead of schedule.



  • @Ayespy:

    Bookmarking and bookmark managing routines are harder to write than you imagine

    I don't care: they say it's flagship, then it MUST work perfectly and be easy, fun, innovative, either…
    ...
    and honesty, asking for a feature that all the competing browsers support from a decade (see Internet Explorer...) is asking for the moon? C'mon!

    newscpq


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    Asking for adolescent skills from an infant is asking for the moon. With many to learn from, and decades of prior success, this particular "infant" will progress faster than the average bear. But speed is relative.

    I look for instance, at KIA. It emerged from a company who had built ships and large equipment (but never cars) for decades and, in its first few years, though there were things to admire about the stoutness of the vehicles, each model was, in some ways, pretty terrible. For instance, trim, fit and finish were pretty much a disaster for years. With its parent company, Daewoo, it even entered bankruptcy for a while. Now, it is one of the most reliable and respected brands on the market. It built from a strong foundation, but stumbled mightily, and in some pretty important ways, consumer-wise, along the way, but now it's an unshakeable brand.

    What others, even your forebears, have done before you is no measure of how easy will be your road ahead from childhood.

    Give the flippin' devs a break.



  • @newscpq: I agree with both of your suggestions for the popup bookmark creator (indent in proper tree format and allow creation of new folders). Regarding the flat (non)tree list of folders, another difficulty you didn't mention is that the folders are not even listed in the order into which they have been rearranged in the Bookmarks Manager (AFAICT, they are listed in the order created).

    But I'm curious where you're getting the bookmarks as a "flagship feature" idea from. I don't recall seeing that mentioned anywhere. This is probably my own ideosyncratic synthesis of of everything I've read about Vivaldi, but the only "flagship feature" I would think of is "maximum customizability", which certainly is only a dream, not a feature, at this point.



  • @gdveggie:

    **@newscpq:**I'm curious where you're getting the bookmarks as a "flagship feature" idea from. I don't recall seeing that mentioned anywhere. This is probably my own ideosyncratic synthesis of of everything I've read about Vivaldi, but the only "flagship feature" I would think of is "maximum customizability", which certainly is only a dream, not a feature, at this point.

    In the same blog post by Jon von Tetzchner you answered to, yesterday: Who uses bookmarks anyway?

    Bookmarks and e-mail integration are the two key points for Jon (I guess his vision counts).

    newscpq



  • @newscpq:

    When saving a new bookmark:
    1. INDENT SUB-FOLDERS
    2. CREATE NEW FOLDER

    +1. Yes, I want these too.



  • Another feature for the bookmark popup that would be awesome is a "Save As" button to save the same URL to a different location in bookmarks. Right now we need to add a duplicate bookmark manually. POWER POWER POWER! I want power! :evil: LOL.



  • @g_bartsch:

    Another feature for the bookmark popup that would be awesome is a "Save As" button to save the same URL to a different location in bookmarks. Right now we need to add a duplicate bookmark manually. POWER POWER POWER! I want power! :evil: LOL.

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    Yes, sometimes I want the same BM to be in 2 or more folders.

    I noticed that for an existing BM, changing folders in the BM Star Popup only MOVES it, just like FF would.

    We CAN also edit the NAME using that method. - THAT's kinda handy though.
    ~



  • @davesnothere:

    @g_bartsch:

    Another feature for the bookmark popup that would be awesome is a "Save As" button to save the same URL to a different location in bookmarks. Right now we need to add a duplicate bookmark manually. POWER POWER POWER! I want power! :evil: LOL.

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    Yes, sometimes I want the same BM to be in 2 or more folders.

    I noticed that for an existing BM, changing folders in the BM Star Popup only MOVES it, just like FF would.

    We CAN also edit the NAME using that method. - THAT's kinda handy though.
    ~

    Indeed. What would be cool is IF the bookmark existed we would see "Save" changed to "Edit" with the addition of a secondary new "Save As" button.



  • @newscpq:

    @gdveggie:

    **@newscpq:**I'm curious where you're getting the bookmarks as a "flagship feature" idea from. I don't recall seeing that mentioned anywhere. This is probably my own ideosyncratic synthesis of of everything I've read about Vivaldi, but the only "flagship feature" I would think of is "maximum customizability", which certainly is only a dream, not a feature, at this point.

    In the same blog post by Jon von Tetzchner you answered to, yesterday: Who uses bookmarks anyway?

    Bookmarks and e-mail integration are the two key points for Jon (I guess his vision counts).

    Ahh, yes, thank you for reminding me of that thread. My post there was a month ago, not yesterday, and I had forgotten about the thread and that Jon was the OP.

    I can see how you could infer bookmarks as a "flagship" Vivaldi feature from Jon's strong statement about Opera's removal of bookmarks as "blatant disrespect of the user base and an outrageous level of arrogance"… (...or at least a flagship Jon von Tetzchner feature :P).

    ...And certainly his vision counts, as does yours, and mine (but maybe his a little more :P). So we all 3 agree (and maybe just a few others agree as well), bookmarks are important. (I wasn't disagreeing in the first place, BTW.)

    However, flagship feature or not, the current developmental level of the bookmarks implementation is very immature, as is nearly everything else in Vivaldi so far. Even if it is intended to be a "flagship" feature, it can't be created ex nihilo as a mature feature. But I guess a lot of us are eager to see bookmarks given "a little more love." ;)



  • @gdveggie:

    ….But I guess a lot of us are eager to see bookmarks given "a little more love." ;)

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    And I am one of those folks ! :cheer:
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    I had already learned how to tweak the UI enough (using CSS code) that I can wait for Vivaldi's native evolution in that area, and last night, I was successful at Editing the MENU entries, as well as adding new ones ( new thread pending on THAT :woohoo: ), but I do not yet know enough to modify the specific JS routines which operate the various Bookmark functionalities.

    So for now, it would be better if the pros did that B) , rather than me make a mess. :ohmy:

    But at some point, if they do not, then I will give it a try. ;)
    ~



  • @g_bartsch:

    ….What would be cool is IF the bookmark existed, then we would see "Save" changed to "Edit", with the addition of a secondary new "Save As" button.

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    As I'm sure that you know, the current 2 indicators are that the Bookmark icon changes colour, and the Delete button in the dialogue popup becomes active.

    But yes, a change in text would be more obvious, plus the extra button. B)
    ~



  • @davesnothere:

    …and last night, I was successful at Editing the MENU entries, as well as adding new ones ( new thread pending on THAT :woohoo: )

    Cool !!!

    I'll look forward to seeing that! ;)



  • @gdveggie:

    @davesnothere:

    …and last night, I was successful at Editing the MENU entries, as well as adding new ones ( new thread pending on THAT :woohoo: )

    Cool !!!

    I'll look forward to seeing that! ;)

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    Thanks ! :cheer:

    Some pics and basic info have now been posted :

    https://vivaldi.net/en-US/forum/all/3285-menu-modifications-for-vivaldi
    ~


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