Features vs Extensions
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@jlhillhouse Oops! Looks like the link didn't get updated properly, but we've fixed it now. Thanks for letting us know.
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Jane.n, thank you! you folks at Vivaldi are great. keep it screamin'
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"Our built-in email client is one highly anticipated feature." yey a commitment!
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Pls add the ability to disable extras features like above mention "Notes" feature.
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@leongjiale Any panel that you do not use can be disabled from the Panel Toolbar context menu.
I use notes extensively, but seldom use the History Panel, so I turned that off.
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@varsha Thanks for the article. There is a need to be different, and identify the difference. That extensions may just be a way for others to sniff and track should be known to all. We have to bookmarks, integrated download, capture, notes, browsing history and then what more is it possible to have in the browser without this getting "fat". I have suggested a DNS-lookup - a "gethostid()" local, with own "/etc/hosts" and use this to block look-up for your bank, own business - can restrict access also. This would block phishing, in particular make Windows miles safer. Email is worked on. Spyware tracking / cookie browser, this may be a neat extension. To block tracking will require code in the browser and is most likely a "feature" but most code can be "extensions" - meaning different extensions can use the same browser "hooks".
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None of the features mentioned above interest me.
What I need is powerful and highly customizable content blocking. Such as:
cosmetic filter for ads
very aggresssive adblocking
very strict popup blocker where you need to allow each popup manually
tracking blockerCan Vivaldi provide all this built-in into the browser and later on provide the exact same features in its mobile version?
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For me extensions are important because Vivaldi has no other way short before hacking into it to get some functions I like to use or need for a workflow that follows "the way I want" - e.g.: Save a web page in it's current state as MHT, or a really working fast forward, a decent image information display that shows the full EXIF, XMP, IPTC information etc. Old wishes, i.e. I wait for some of them since years, literally.
Small things that make my life easier, but of course there is always the next big thing to build in or the next catastrophic bug to fix, so I can fully understand why those functions are not in (not meant ironic / sarcastic / whatever) - especially if it is for functions that are rarely used - and that's why extensions are crucial for me, because they allow me "take control" and to "browse my way" and I don't need to care about what someone else says is useful or rot.
btw: Of course I either write my own or at least check the source of every extension I install and remove everything I don't like or rewrite it.
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@luetage: well, the minority chosen by the majority hurts everyone, sure
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@zakius You would think that's how it works, but in most cases a minority choses the minority. Good example: USA.
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@knuthf said in Features vs Extensions:
To block tracking will require code in the browser
Not really - web request blocking is an integral part since some time and every extension can already use it - in fact some even do it.
and is most likely a "feature" but most code can be "extensions" - meaning different extensions can use the same browser "hooks".
I personally prefer the blocking to be triggered by an extension instead of by the browser unless the browser gets really good at recognizing such stuff on its own, because I really wouldn't like to put the extra load of maintaining block lists, filter rules etc on the developers - at least not yet, because the team is still quite small, maybe later when there are more and one of them can spent a significant amount of time to perpetually maintain such stuff
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There are a lot of extensions I can't live without. For example, I'm using 'Pocket,' 'Instapaper' and 'Raindrop' to save articles in each service for a different purpose (I'm a blogger). I also use the 'Clip to Evernote' and Flipboard's '+Flip It' and 'Similar Web' and 'Alexa' to check the statistics of websites. 'Nimbus' is another extension that I have installed to capture screenshots and then easily edit them by adding arrows, text etc.
I don't believe most of these extensions could be implemented inside the functionality of a web browser. As such, I don't believe a web browser can have any features and tools that I want. Vivaldi is the only web browser that gives me a few features that I love, so I am using it as my default browser.
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They both have their benefits, but at the end of the day, I would rather have more extensions and fewer baked in features. Bloating up the browser to appease people is pointless since everyone has their own opinion as to what is an essential feature and you are never going to satisfy everyone.
Yes, extensions open you up to developers that you might not trust, or at the very least makes you dependent on them for updates, but at least there are plenty of choices.
Baked in features that you don't use just bog down your browsing experience unnecessarily. And like others have mentioned, while I have 18 extensions, only 4 of them are running at all times.
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@sjudenim Thanks for your point of view. I first quite had an opposite one (thinking the more popular extensions features a browser would have by default, the more users it would attract). By reading your comment, I just opened my mind a bit (not completely but it is already a good start).
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I find this a difficult question, on one side I find built-in features better. On the other hand, the past has shown that more features for more development, a higher error rate and the program can grow into a monster. High memory consumption, browser slowdown, etc.
With features, of course, the question is always how far you want to push this. For one user basic functions are enough, a power user might need more possibilities.
In such a case, enlargement is probably the better option.Let's take the mail client as an example. Since something like this wasn't there from the beginning, one had to look for an alternative possibility. So I switched to a mail client that I like. This offers me more possibilities than m3 will ever do. In other words, this built-in feature is of no interest to me. For other users who want to use a simple client, the functions offered by m3 are sufficient. As I said, this is an example and the built-in mail client is great, not that anyone understands me wrong.
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@jonmc: Yes the screen capture function is very useful. It does not help for other applications, but I spend 99% of my time in Vivaldi anyways and I am sure that applies to a lot of people.
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@luetage: Why are you saying it is not getting priority?
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@wildente: The mail client continues to get a lot of attention at Vivaldi. We know it is highly anticipated. Not by all, maybe, but by a lot of people. It continues to progress nicely.
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@rocknrolf: A big reason for building the Vivaldi mail client is that no mail client has the features it offers, so nice if you tell me what features you are missing.
That being said, there are clearly mail clients that do things differently and may have stuff we do not as yet, but we continue to move forward and improve.
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@jon Because I can remember quite vividly Vivaldi stated officially that an RSS reader is not a planned feature. To me this means it's far from priority. Apparently something has changed since thenβ¦
Now my hopes are up ^^ I guess we can expect it s0oN.