Features vs Extensions
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We shouldn't forget that it's possible to disable extensions and enable them as needed. There's no point in cutting back on extensions if you need the specific functionality/tools to improve the usability of the browser. No browser can have everything built in. Of course, if the functionality is already built in, why use an extension β but few users would consider this and only happens if the built in version lacks severely in features (eg password management)
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@pesala: Personally, I only ever find use for screen capture when using a browser (where I spend 99% of my work day). I use CloudApp when the capture is being shared with someone else, though β the way you're able to share an annotated capture using a link there is great. I use Vivaldi's built-in capture when I'm grabbing a screenshot for myself or need the full-page.
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Even though web technologies evolve all the time, native features will always provide a better, consistent with the product, user experience.
But... Vivaldi's native features are written using web technologies
That aside this is a good article. I have several extensions installed, but if i'm not actively using it, I just disable it. An example would be this "Open iFrame" extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/open-iframe/pmaadckffijlkpdcgpbbmoihlhhapikm. I checked the source code, and it seems perfectly safe, but I don't need it using an extra process and resources all the time, so I disable it until it is needed. A built-in feature doesn't need to spin up a whole new process just to add a menu entry.
There are other extensions I use which I am always wary of as even if they seem safe right now, there are often tales of horror where extension maintainers sell their extension to third parties who just convert them into spyware, so you never know what a future update will bring. Built-in features come with the trust given to Vivaldi, so I can be sure of its safety, even after updates.
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@jonmc I spend much of my time supporting users of applications for print and web publishing, font-editing, etc., so although I have Vivaldi (and Opera 12.18) open whenever I switch on the PC, I take a lot of screenshots (often 20+ a day) to illustrate dialogs for software reviews and for providing support on forums. Vivaldi's screen capture cannot capture the Settings dialogue, unless it is opened in a tab, for example.
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What I also found (when briefly tried to use FF after Opera 12) is that extensions often keep breaking when a browser core is updated, or they got abandoned for random reasons.
I then got to really appreciate browser-native features because using them gives confidence that they'll get proper support and care from browser creators. -
that's why Opera was THE browser: it supported extensions but you could do exactly everything without them (okay, Firefox had better interface customization in some areas, no custom buttons but changing visuals was a piece of cake)
Unfortunately Vivaldi is not Opera yet, and won't be for few years probably
It still misses some things, some other need polishing, but we are getting there slowlyBut also I think there is need for better extensions API than very limited chromium/WE (for example I'd love to be able to use RSS Reader interface to talk to my own tt-rss instance with my own plugins, without proper API I'm limitted to my own client that won't ever have native interface due to chromium/WE limitations)
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@pesala: I'm using sharex for that, and always willing to switch to my own hosting, though always too lazy to do so
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@pesala: the sessions would be perfect to me If i could select what tabs to save into a session, load a specific tab insted its whole session, a session manager which allows me to order/copy/move/delete tabs in sessions like a bookmark panel/manager, an autosave with option of every X minute/hour. With that management i could reduce the number of tabs a session i use
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@zakius said in Features vs Extensions:
@pesala: I'm using sharex for that, and always willing to switch to my own hosting, though always too lazy to do so
I also use ShareX (I don't know a better tool for this), I think that no extension or function of the browser can do the same, starting with why a function or extension to capture the screen in the browser requires to have it open for use them.
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Having the extensions features included as default features in Vivaldi would be awesome. The problem might be to choose the ones that could have a real added value and know how to prioritize the developments of those.
It's also true that Vivaldi could outperform its concurrents if the most used extensions of Chrome, Opera or Firefox (which are actually features that users are looking for and are missing in their browsers) were included by default... -
You should implement a feed reader. Some argue that this should be implemented as part of the email client, but I think it should be a separate thing. I am interrested in RSS feed reader, but not necessarily email client in Vivaldi.
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@waldo If you haven't already, case a vote for this FR
I currently use an RSS extension, but I dont think it is maintained anymore. There's another plus for features: You can guarantee they'll be kept up to date.
Well, unless you're Google in which case features may disappear at any moment. (I never used it, but there was a lot of noise when google killed of its web based feed reader)
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@lonm Vocal minority. It's known that very very few users take advantage of RSS. Firefox ditched it too. I like RSS and it's been the first thing I asked about when joining Vivaldi, but I can understand why it doesn't get priority.
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Is it possible to have a built-in support for password managers like LastPass?
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@luetage: RSS is the basic of the basics, impossible to live without and moderately easy to do (when compared to sync for example) but sync is prioritized
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@zakius said in Features vs Extensions:
impossible to live without
I beg to differ, I never had the need of RSS myself.
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Well, if we are talking about extensions, you should implement/fix the support of
browserAction
context menus. A lot of high quality extensions use that feature, which is not accessible in Vivaldi. -
@axk said in Features vs Extensions:
I have no choice but to use ext for something the browser won't provide: uBlock, Dark Reader, Youtube Enhancer, Imagus, video downloader. I'll stop using them when the browser can replace them. Which for most browsers will be never.
There are several browsers that have a built-in adblocker, but none more efficient than uBlock or nano Adblocker, which in my opinion are the best.
Extensions that invert the color of the pages, like Dark Reader there are some, Vivaldi himself has this function, but he does not save it for the specific pages.
But better than Dark Reader is Night Eye, since it does not simply invert the colors of the pages, but analyzes and applies dark colors as a result of this only in case of need automatically. On pages that already have a dark background, it is not activated. -
@LonM
I do not know what extension you use, i use RSS Feed Reader and it is constantly updated, if ever an integrated RSS reader will save me the use of an extension and I'll be happy.@waldo
Go here to vote: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/24115/rss-and-atom-reader@luetage
The RSS reader is however in eighth place of the ranking of the request with 67 votes, i would say that of users who are interested there are.Another feature that i consider important and that needs to be integrated is to be able to select the text of the links as this extension does Select like a Boss.
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@gwen-dragon: What about supporting a working version of the emerging WebAuthn (Web Authentication) as FF, Chrome and Edge are doing? Is that a possibility in the future?